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Why do people complain about finding a job???
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's just it. A lot of people (including me 3 years ago) don't have the money to shll out for the ticket, especially as many of them are in debt right after college. I got my first job in Korea while I was in NY state through a recruiter who was in Canada. The job sucked but I got the full round trip ticket sent to me in the mail like 2 days after I talked to him which was really helpful. However, I repeat, the job SUCKED and I ended up quitting after 2 months...but that's another story. If you come here without a ticket, it's going to cost you quite a bit actually, airfare, motel, etc etc and waiting to find a job then waiting a month for your first paycheck.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also no guarantee that you will find a better job if you come in person. It depends how much money you have, if you start running low on cash, you may have to take a crap job anyway. But at least you can check out the accomodations.

There are no guarantees, only a lot of BS about what they will offer. (but usually don't give)

But don't fret. Even if you pay your way, and have to take a crap job, you will be able to make that money back in a month or 2.
Han geuneul bim nida.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well..u could be right.. the tv in the plane was broken and flight centre screwed up my entry visa for vietnam so my stopover was 7 hours in the smoking room at vietnam airport...

but hey, i'm alive and i saved a couple of bucks too
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
However, I repeat, the job SUCKED and I ended up quitting after 2 months....



who paid for the ticket?
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not rich either.. i sold my puter and my car before i came.. there is a great chance to get a couple of privates to give ya a bit of cash until you can find that job... I sincerely beleive it is easier to find the right job, room and city if you are here first.



just found a bottle of bourbon for w11,000... this is getting better and better
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
If they need you immediately!!!

It's not that much cheaper to have me wait in my home country. They have to pay for hotel in Vancouver for 2 days. It's a 2 day wait last I heard.

That's interesting. Has anyone ever been paid for the expenses of getting a visa in your own country? It can also be done by mail if everyone has planned far enough ahead.
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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a duanting exercise, to move to another country with only your bags and a little money. If I had friends there I would do it in a heartbeat.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW....
I took my own advice that I gave on this thread and paid for myself to come back last Feb.
Worked out very well.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us in DC wrote:
Its a duanting exercise, to move to another country with only your bags and a little money. If I had friends there I would do it in a heartbeat.


You'd be surprised at how many of us have done that. I didn't know jack or squat over here, when I first came over. And I have met a lot of other people doing the same. It seems daunting from the other side of the world. I was nervous, too. But you'd be shocked at how different the job hunt is in Korea vs. overseas. The online version is very much different than the street version.
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you pay to come here they will have you by the balls. That's why a 'part time' recruiter like chronicpride advocates it.

Get the job at home and don't come unless they buy the ticket up front. Don't be a fool!!! Shocked

I still say that recruiters (full or part time) and managers should declare this in their posts when they comment on jobs, job conditions, contracts, getting a job, etc. Am I wrong?

"The online version is very much different than the street version." Thank you for the info 'part time' recruiter. Everybody else is wrong or mistating facts, but the guy who makes a buck when you sign is the angel of clarity, truth and reality.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalton wrote:
If you pay to come here they will have you by the balls. That's why a 'part time' recruiter like chronicpride advocates it.

Get the job at home and don't come unless they buy the ticket up front. Don't be a fool!!! Shocked

I still say that recruiters (full or part time) and managers should declare this in their posts when they comment on jobs, job conditions, contracts, getting a job, etc. Am I wrong?

"The online version is very much different than the street version." Thank you for the info 'part time' recruiter. Everybody else is wrong or mistating facts, but the guy who makes a buck when you sign is the angel of clarity, truth and reality.


Actually, my advice here is to come over on your own dollar, scout your jobs, check the conditions here yourself, before signing. No recruiter involved. I've always maintained that one should never blindly sign a contract from abroad. I feel that the whole prepaid airfare, signing a contract from overseas without seeing things first-hand, is the source of a lot of problems with the industry here. This was one of the catalysts over why I got out of recruiting. There are so many fundamental flaws in this industry that will never change, even if laws are passed.

You have a far much higher chance of landing a good job, with good conditions, reimbursed airfare, than signing a contract overseas based on a few short phone calls and emails.

Judging from your first approach, I know that you are just looking to argue and looking for spots where you can engage someone, but I don't think there's anything much here for you. Wait awhile for myself or someone else to post something elsewhere that has more opportunity for you to get into a war of words. However, I doubt you've got the ability to restrain yourself here.
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Chronic pride: For somebody out of recruiting you were pretty quick to accept three newbies from someone offering them up on this board only last week. You even offered to connect the guy to friends if he could deal in volume.

Paying your own way here is FOOLISH.

A school will hire you and pay for the ticket up front. If you are new then how the he11 are you going to know a bad school from good school just by being here?

What happens when you are broke? Happens all the time here. people with no job and no money because the hogwon director with 10 years experience with foreigners can easily sniff a fool. Are you going to fool him? yeah right. Rolling Eyes

Just ask to talk to former or current teachers. Get their e-mail address or phone number and contact them after school when they are not talking in front of their director. You'll get the truth and plenty of advice. Unless you are contemplating YBM. Teachers get paid a bounty for recruiting you so their advice is useless.

Chronic pride is a recruiter. he won't admit it. His advice is biased.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalton wrote:
Hey Chronic pride: For somebody out of recruiting you were pretty quick to accept three newbies from someone offering them up on this board only last week. You even offered to connect the guy to friends if he could deal in volume.


I formerly represent a large association of schools in the Daegu and Busan areas that are in need of teachers and a recruiter. I'm taking the time to locate and work someone into my old spot.

Dalton wrote:
If you are new then how the he11 are you going to know a bad school from good school just by being here?
A lot of people use the terms 'gut feelings' and 'common sense'.

Dalton wrote:

What happens when you are broke? Happens all the time here. people with no job and no money because the hogwon director with 10 years experience with foreigners can easily sniff a fool. Are you going to fool him? yeah right. Rolling Eyes

Just ask to talk to former or current teachers. Get their e-mail address or phone number and contact them after school when they are not talking in front of their director. You'll get the truth and plenty of advice. Unless you are contemplating YBM. Teachers get paid a bounty for recruiting you so their advice is useless.


Coming over here still has it's risk, naturally. But it's less of a crap shoot if you can come here on your own dollar first. I'd rather see the place where I'd be teaching, living, and meet the director and teachers in person, before I signed, if I had the ability to do so.

Dalton wrote:
Chronic pride is a recruiter. he won't admit it. His advice is biased.
If your research was any good, you would see in a previous post of mine that I've gone back into contract teaching once again. If you see other posts, you will see my disdain for recruiting and the reasons behind it.

I will admit, however, that although I don't actively look for schools and teachers to help, I do help and advise people on occassion for jobs. My first advice is always to come here on your own dollar and look around. Experience the culture and people, before signing. 90% of overseas contract jobs will have you starting within 48 hours of your arrival. My recommendation is to come over, get over jetlag, meet people, interview as many jobs as possible, choose what looks/feels best, negotiate a better deal. If not, you walk down the street to the next interview.
In my posting history, you will see a consistent pattern of this same advice.

I don't make any commission if I give that advice. But it's the best advice.

If they are overseas and are too broke to pay for their airfare and they want me to help them, then I will. And I'll take the commission.

Feel free to ask any other questions about my personal affairs. If you were a better man, you'd PM me to ask and find this info out. But this is about your venting once again, and your finger has just happened to land on a post of mine.
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronic pride wrote:"I formerly represent a large association of schools in the Daegu and Busan areas that are in need of teachers and a recruiter. I'm taking the time to locate and work someone into my old spot."
What is your old spot? Teacher or recruiter? Your school asked you to find them a recruiter?

You responded to a request to place three teachers in jobs in S.Korea from a poster asking if anyone knew any recruiters here. He posted on a couple boards. You offered him an option if he could deal in volume. Other recruiters you could put him in touch with. I believe the thread was deleted.

If you pay to come here with your own money you will never see that money again. Schools will pay for the flight or the visa run- not both.

You also limit your job oportunities. From home you can apply for and accept jobs anywhere in S. Korea but once you're here you have to stick to where ever you landed. Unless you want to pay for travelling all over Korea for interviews. More money you will never get back.

Being here does not alleviate inexperience. Most people talk about the problems they had dealing with culture shock when they first arrived here. Dealing with that and the pressure of finding work when you don't have an income would be very difficult.

Advising someone to come here on their own dollar without further explantion of the difficulties and cost involved is not sound advice. It could result in someone becoming very desperate and, say, turning to a recruiter for advice. Not a necesary option for someone looking from the comfort of home.

You don't like it here. You save your money give notice and go home. If you come here to a job. If you come here on your own dollar you are out a return ticket fare and at least $US25 a day assuming you don't travel to other cities for interviews.

If you were a better man you would tell people that your advice comes from someone who recruits and not leave it to assumption that you are just a good intentioned teacher. Your willingness to 'help them' for the commision belies your attempts to come off as the honest advisor.

You recruit. Just say so when offering advice to newbies so that they can have an honest chance to evaluate your advice in the appropriate context. Is that difficult? After all this is a teachers board about job related issues not a recruitment board. Be a better man. You can do it.
Three simple words- as a recruiter...
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not a recruiter..


i would much rather see with my own eyes the classrooms, school and my apartment and also meet my boss and the other teachers first hand..

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If you pay to come here with your own money you will never see that money again. Schools will pay for the flight or the visa run- not both.


i'd much prefer to blow 800 bucks and enjoy my year than to save 800 bucks and live and teach in a dog box.

in my books that is the only way to do it rather than risk being landed in a dump only to leave in a few weeks and repay my airfare anyways..


getting a job before coming here would something i'd do only if i were completely broke and coming here first wasn't an option at all...

i really can't believe anybody would think getting a job from your bedroom in a different country is better than being there and researching it first hand..
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