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How you became fluent in Korean
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you guys saying that watching Let's Speak Korean on Arirang TV isn't going to cut it? Shocked Shocked Shocked
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seoulmon



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: You're Fluent in Korean... Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
seoulmon wrote:
TOMATO you nut case! Why can't you have a conversation after 4 YEARS! That's crazy!

Probably because I've gotten too much destructive criticism.
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I've lived in Korea almost 3 years and there has never been a time I've actually "needed" Korean. In fact, it's been a hinderance. Koreans tend to gravitate towards goofy knock kneed foreigners who need help ordering a meal at Burger King.

Yet you're proficient enough in Korean to throw stones at me?


Alright, I'm sorry Tomato. I need to remember your a nice sensative guy. I was actually being glib, so I didn't mean to put you down.

I actually have a lot of trouble speaking too. I think one of the reasons is that Koreans socialize different than we do. I want to talk about ideas and they want to talk about relationships.

I don't drink and smoke. What a downer I am to any Korean party. ALso, I don't eat meat. I think an important part in speaking Korean is being the round peg for the round hole. It's difficult to learn when socially your not on the same wave length.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
Vir sapit qui pauca loquitur. It is a wise man who speaks little.


Very Zen. Wisdom must come after post #4000.
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marista99



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you say you took Korean classes. Where did you find these classes? Do the schools advertise? I'd love to find a Korean class in the Incheon or Gimpo area, but I just don't know where to look. I think if I had some formal education in grammar and structure, my solo studying would be much more effective.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
Are you guys saying that watching Let's Speak Korean on Arirang TV isn't going to cut it?

Well if they made the show at least 30 minutes and stop introducing concepts without explaining htem probably which they do in their wrap it up a lot then it would be a good show.

It is better than nothing though.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: You're Fluent in Korean... Reply with quote

Thanks, Beaver!

I didn't get very far with the suggestion for Oxford's Language Learning Strategies. I looked it up on the Amazon site and found that it costs $90. I looked for Websites about that book on the Yahoo search engine. I found a summary of the book, but I didn't get very much out of it. On the Questia site, I looked up some of the sources listed in the bibliography, but they didn't have any of them.

I think I'll have better luck with Brown's Strategies for Success. It is reasonably priced on the Amazon site, so I ordered a copy.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:31 am    Post subject: Re: You're Fluent in Korean... Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Thanks, Beaver!

I didn't get very far with the suggestion for Oxford's Language Learning Strategies. I looked it up on the Amazon site and found that it costs $90. I looked for Websites about that book on the Yahoo search engine. I found a summary of the book, but I didn't get very much out of it. On the Questia site, I looked up some of the sources listed in the bibliography, but they didn't have any of them.

I think I'll have better luck with Brown's Strategies for Success. It is reasonably priced on the Amazon site, so I ordered a copy.


Good choice. Rebecca Oxford is very unreadable. The Brown book is easily applicable.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again, Beaver!

I got Strategies for Success in the mail, but I wasn't very impressed.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130413925/qid=1093101330/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-2576068-1850451

Thanks anyway.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Hello again, Beaver!

I got Strategies for Success in the mail, but I wasn't very impressed.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130413925/qid=1093101330/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-2576068-1850451

Thanks anyway.


Really? Disappointing.

You might try "How To Be A More Successful Language Learner" By Rubin and Thompson.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomato,
Just going on the little written korean I saw of yours I would offer this advice.
Forget about the ultra polite form verb endings for the time being.
Concentrate on the-�� form for now and later when you feel comfortable move onto �ݸ� with your friends

There are some awful korean textbooks out there. I wouldn't study from everything that constantly used -�Դϴ�/���ϴ� from the first chapter.

Watch 'Lets speak korean' on tv if you don't already. You can learn alot of expressions that koreans actually use! As you know a lot of textbook korean is not used much by koreans.

Study from Sogang's website, that will teach you the most important grammar. Sounds like you know alot of grammar already, but again the sogang site teaches useful language and you can practise your reading and listening. I've never heard a bad word said about the sogang site.

Sorry if I've underestimated your abilities, if this info is not helpful to you it may be to others.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How you became fluent in Korean Reply with quote

Happamitta wrote:
So, you're fluent or practically fluent in Korean (speaking-wise). How long did it take you to reach this level of ability? What was your method? I'd be very interested to hear from this board's Koreo-linguists.


A good start is to stay away from burger flipping losers who whine.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard a bad word said about the sogang site.

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Well, now you have. I am not complaining about what is on the site, more about what is lacking.

It moves WAY too fast introducing new grammatical structures without adequate practice on previously introduced concepts. Shocked Confused

Perhaps the only saving graces of the course are that it is offered free on-line and that because it is on-line, you can repeat lessons over and over.

They should have done a lot more vocabulary work (in my opinion) and had a lot more questions in the question and answer sections. They seem to assume that minimal practice is all that is needed. Rolling Eyes


There are some mistakes in the grammar sections as well, so in the early days, I wondered if I could trust anything at all on the site.

I still have yet to make it past lesson 5 of the second level.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To some waygugin: if it seems like they're going too fast it's because it's hard. Like you said, you're free to keep going over and over it until you've internalised it.

Going too fast...Now we know how Korean students feel and why they continue to make basic mistakes in English despite years of study. Not that we all didn't know that already. One day, it may sink in that rushing through books is no way to learn.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
I've never heard a bad word said about the sogang site.



Well, now you have. I am not complaining about what is on the site, more about what is lacking.

It moves WAY too fast introducing new grammatical structures without adequate practice on previously introduced concepts. Shocked Confused

Perhaps the only saving graces of the course are that it is offered free on-line and that because it is on-line, you can repeat lessons over and over.

They should have done a lot more vocabulary work (in my opinion) and had a lot more questions in the question and answer sections. They seem to assume that minimal practice is all that is needed. Rolling Eyes


There are some mistakes in the grammar sections as well, so in the early days, I wondered if I could trust anything at all on the site.

I still have yet to make it past lesson 5 of the second level.[/quote]

Sogang teaches grammar in context in the form of dialogues or stories. Whilst it can seem difficult at times, it is much more useful than making it 'easier' by learning tidbits of grammar in isolation (leaving you no clue as to the correct context in which to use it)

Sure the site isn't perfect and you can make criticisms but I notice you didn't offer a better website offering the chances to practise listening, reading and comprehension for free. i.e. you might not love it, but it's the best out there.
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