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Gord
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 Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| As per your original post Gord...You stated that workers are only entitled to 24 days off per year. Let us clarify this. 44 hours a week at 8 hours a day with a half day on Saturday. 52 weeks in a year. That means a minimum of 52 days off a year. |
Holy distortion of context, Batman. Next time I'll be sure to spell out that I was talking about the monthly and annually earned days off instead of simply summarizing it under the mistaken belief we all knew what was going on.
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| Employees are entitled to x amount of days off per year. When they choose to take holidays they can request them. Yes if the boss claims serious impedement to the business he can ask the employee to reschedule them. HOWEVER if there is in actuallity no impedement to the business and the boss is being a *beep*, something like a poster on this thread, he would have to prove the impedement to a labour board arbitrator if the employee demanded action. That is in the labour board act. |
Well, yes. Thank you for telling me my position. Welcome to my team. You have a very strange way of saying thank-you for correcting you and enlightening you as to how the law works here.
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| ONE MORE TIME.....regular time off is not paid time off. These laws are in place to protect all workers, hourly, salary, and contractual. Do hourly workers get paid for their days off. NO! This is cited clearly in section 59 which you covet so dearly. |
You'll note that articles in question refer to an employee viewed as being a full-time employee and only refers to a minimum number of unworked days per year, not anything that is bankable in case the business uses the employee less than the maximum number of days per year.
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| You are the one twisting the labour laws meanings to fit your own interpretation of them. By continuing to stick to your flawed perception you are just proving what a buttmunch you are. |
If you feel I have distorted in any way, please feel free to cite the exact passage (and supporting passages) and we can all see why you feel I am distorting. So far you've cited me as being wrong many times while generally refusing to quote the laws in question, and when you do you've either quoted the wrong section or been very selective in quoting something as saying one thing and then leaving out the exemption part of the same law that invalidates your very claims.
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Oh so neither of us can cite a law that says an employer is responsible for finding a replacement I am wrong and you are right  Yeah right.... |
Spoken like a gentleman, even if you didn't mean it.
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| For the love of Pete read the labour laws, carefully closely. The days are only allowed to be used together with the consent of the employee. Even then the employee is entitled to request his holidays when and where they want them. |
Please cite the exact passage that says this. Because the only part I know of that says that (which was quoted earlier) also says that it does not apply if the business might from a serious impediment from the paid time off being given when the employee requests it.
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| Since you are unable of unwilling to admit this I must conclude you have your head up your ass. |
I fail to see how my reading the laws as they are written suggests I have my head up my ass while you choose to proclaim how the laws work and then refuse to support your claims when the actual laws are quoted and shown to contradict your claims.
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| Again another ass-u-mption on your part. Does a statutory holiday count towards your annual paid leave? No! It is only when the employee requests a day off that this is applicable. Your failure to provide a law that says that all days off are paid vacation times shows your inability to admit that you were wrong. |
What is with the "out of context" attack? No one had suggested otherwise. But yes, we agree that statutory holidays are not counted towards one's paid annual leave. Please to not suggest that I claimed otherwise.
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"however, the period concerned may be altered, if it would be a serious impediment to the operation of the business to grant a leave(s) with pay at a time when the worker requests."
Oh how you love to pull out the 'if's' If it causes a serious impedement. That does not give any business owner carte' blanche to refuse holidays without just cause. |
Slippery slope argument.
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| Any embarrassment from this thread is yours. You continually quote this section trying to make it the end all. It is a clause that can be used but should only be used if there is an actual impedement. |
I'm trying to end it because you are refusing to support your claims. You are simply stating untrue things and it's unfortunate that someone might actually believe your lies and get fired over it.
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| From the start I have steadfastedly said that the employee has the right to request their vacation when they want it. If they want it in blocks, of spread throughout the year is up to the employee. Which is clearly stated in your coveted section 59. |
But you haven't. Read back to the first page of the thread where you talk about what a holiday is, and then work your way through to where you start proclaiming that employees alone dictate when they can take their holidays.
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| Not surprisingly everything you have written has been twisted to favor the employers view. Trying to buffalo people into believing they do not have the right to vacation time. Your continued rant through all your postings on all the threads you pollute continues to favour the Hogwan owners. Why is that? |
I'm not distorting, nor am I saying they are right. I am simply stating what they are and spending my time correcting you so that no one accidentally gets fired in the future from your false claims. If you believe I am distorting, I again ask you to cite the laws in question in full detail and explain how I have distorted. All you have done is make blanket statements saying "the law says this" which is untrue couple with the select few times you have tried to cite a specific passage you have been wrong.
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| You have no position, we are for the most part arguing about the interpretation of the same labour laws. You claim that workers are only entitled to 24 days off a year and anything past that is gravy and I say bullshyte! |
That's lovely. Though now I say it's 22 or possibly 27 depending on the company size. And unless you can cite the actual law passages in detail that explain why I am wrong, you are just making noise.
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| You couldnt explain how to get a tic-tac out of a box. |
A tic-tac box killed my mother.
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| You say I have changed my user name? NOPE. Still the same Grotto I have been. I know you have changed your user name due to the amount of hate PM's you recieve. Your erroneous rants and adherence to assinine positions irritate even the most sane member here. |
I've received far more hate messages to this account than my previous one, and I changed over a year ago. Plus it was no great secret as both accounts linked back to my server for hosting. Though my changing of accounts was not motivated to hide, despite your suggestion.
And you didn't change from a previous user name to Grotto? Well, ok, lie all you want. It's not like it's anything new to this thread.
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| When you continue to lie in every post Gord. people just read your trolls roll thier eyes and say what a moron! You know who I am? Where I live? Where I work? They offered you my job? |
Let's raise the stakes. You post in this thread that I can provide everything about you I know, ranging from your full name to where you work, where you live, and even your salary and working conditions, and I'll post it up. I hadn't because it's not cool to ambush someone like that, but if you give me permission, I'll clearly show you that I'm not bluffing.
How confident are you in your belief that I am lying?
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| Article 59, you keep quoting from section 3 while ommiting the other two sections of it. Employees can request time off when they want it. Section 3 yes if a SERIOUS IMPEDEMENT, do you understand serious impedement?however, the period concerned may be altered, if it would be a serious impediment to the operation of the business to grant a leave(s) with pay at a time when the worker requests. |
Not having a foreign teacher in the classroom when people are paying for it would qualify as a serious impedement, as I have mentioned earlier.
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| Contracts are not irrelevant to the law. |
Lovely. Thank you for telling me what I already knew.
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Again your assinine assumption that people who work 5.5 days a week are paid for 6 full days is wrong. Talk to Koreans who work 6 days a week, even with a half day off they are not paid for the rest of the day. Therefore your continued insane claims that the vacation time is all used up on those half days is wrong, WRONG, WRONG  Nowhere in the law does it say that the half days use up all of your vacation time. Just another pathetic attempt of yours to twist the Labour Standards Act to fit your little twisted world. Pathetic |
Who said anything about 5.5 = 6?
You accuse me, again, of twisting the Act in saying that an employee agreeing to having a half-day credited per week (or one day every two weeks, depending on the model) does not count towards the vacation time. So exactly, in great detail, how is it I have twisted the act? None of this generized stuff, I want hard facts and cite the laws in question. No "the law says" or "we all know that", I want articles, sections, and entire passages. It's what I've been doing, and you're saying I'm wrong in my reading of it. So put your cards on the table and let's see what you say I'm missing.
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| My lack of knowledge of the law.....hmmm interesting....My knowledge and interpretation of the law is pretty good. Your interpretation of life, law, liberty and pretty much the world is a twisted evil travesty. |
If you say so. I have often said I am a horrible monster.
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| Now who is taking one little peice of a section and twisting it again? In certain cases an employer can request employees to work extra hours for a short period of time not to exceed one month. Not at whim as you seem to think. |
Wow. Brilliant. You come out and ask what is to stop an employer from proclaiming a work day is 24 hours and that nothing is stopping an employer from claiming they must work eight hours every day while citing they get 2/3rds of the year off, so I cite the two sections that prohibit such an act (despite you saying that such laws did not exist). THen you turn around and go off about voluntary overtime, and that this somehow relates? Are you retarded or simply pretending to be?
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Opinions are like assholes as you have proven again, and again, and again. They are neither correct or incorrect, I had hoped you had
read the definition, but maybe that was too much to ask. |
Zing. Really, zing. Granted English is something I never actually learned and I'm only using the Google language translation tool, but from what I read in the definition there is nothing that says an opinion cannot be wrong. A person can also give answers, does this mean that no answer can be wrong now too?
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| Pathetic lies, it must be sad to stroke your own ego like that. Doesnt your hand ever get tired? Oh I am sure that in your little world people are beating down your door throwing job offers your way and begging you to share your towering intellect with them. In truth you have always seemed to me a sad little boy who is in search of any attention he can find, whether it be negative or positive. |
You got me, I just come on here and make things up. As I've said before, I am really Bob, a janitor at a 7/11. I live in my parents basement. I am a sad, lonely man. Will you please be my e-friend? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Ok "Grotto", let's get this back on track. I've gone out, cited the laws in question, and given what I thought was a pretty clear explanation as to how it all works.
You disagree. And in disagreeing you've attacked me, insulted me, claimed many things without supporting them, used slippery slopes arguments, assigned false claims to me, said the laws quoted were wrong, and basically launched a huge campain to tell me why I am wrong and nothing more but a horrible monster that prays for my own death.
Yet despite all your efforts, you have refused to cite the law itself and explain how it works which in theory would be the fastest and cleanest way to end the disagreement (should you be correct). Well, technically, you cited one passage once that you said supported your position while choosing to ignore the next part following the quoted passage that says you were wrong, so your track record isn't so hot.
So here we go: Instead of a insults, empty claims, and noise, make your next post nothing but quoting the laws you say support your stated opinion and explaining why they do. I believe in you! You can do it!
And I'm not talking generalized stuff like "the law says" and that we should trust you. Quite frankly, you've demonstrated you can't be trusted. So, please, start quoting the laws that you say will vindicate you. That's cool, if you can pull it off and show me that I'm wrong, then so be it, I'm wrong. It's happened before, but I don't insult the person because they showd I was wrong.
But if you choose to not start quoting the laws you say support your opinion, then all I am going to do is start posting "Why do you refuse to quote the laws you say exist?" over and over, and probably along with lovely comments on your creative conclusions that you choose to not support.
I do look forward to seeing reading the laws you cite. |
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