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[Us in DC]

Rawiri - Another useless, vindictive post that says nothing about the issue and just proves my point that you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe your negative experiences are a result of your crappy personality and not your race.

I have spent time in a number of places where people have pretty extreme views about Americans and have had a lot of luck working with people. Namely Vietnam and Russia. Some people treated me horribly. Some people were great. That's how these things go.

This board is here for people to deal with the feelings they have about issues like this in a constructive way and to get purposeful feedback and not to be insulted by people who are looking to take out their anger against total strangers.

In both my experiences I had really positive people around me who in part saw our goal as showing people of other nations that Americans are not the gun-toting, war-mongering supremecists that they may believe us to be. This is not an easy obstable to overcome particularly when one has negative jerks around you telling them that they deserve it because they went through it once upon a time. What kind of help is that?

To the OP - it's a really unfortunate situation when things like that happen. But I am sure you know that societal changes don't happen when a foreigner comes in and tells people how they should behave. But eventually that person (maybe in his lifetime, maybe a person like him in the future) will have to change. In every place around the world there are the people who want to stop things from changing and hold onto their views. These people will loose this battle in the end. We are planet of people who are converging onto eachothers countries and cultures. By being in Korea and trying to be the best person that you are, as much as you can, despite situations like this and showing people that foreigners are not people to hate but rather embrace then you are already doing all that you can.

[rawiri]

[quote="Us in DC"]Rawiri - Another useless, vindictive post that says nothing about the issue and just proves my point that you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe your negative experiences are a result of your crappy personality and not your race.
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What the hell do you know about my personality?....what the hell do you know about my race...what the hell do you know about my experiences with racism?...where the hell do you get off writing something like that....i have no problems with most posters on daves...but you have pissed me off...i say it's good for whiteys to come over here and experience a bit of racism...maybe it will open your mind a bit...see how it is with the shoe
on the other foot...i'm not saying your all racists back home...obviously...but i will say that if you can get a bit of a feeling of what it's like to be a minority and to experience what go's along with it...then good.

Unless you actually go out and look for it the chances of anything confrontational (physically) are next to nil....sure you will get stares from ajosshi's....maybe you'll get denied by some of the juicy miari girls....examples like being denied membership to a gym would be very very small indeed...koreans will still hate you...but they will take your money with a big beaming smile on their faces.

My point is that if being denied membership to a gym is the most racist thing that has happened to you then you should probably count yourself lucky.


and please point out to the rest of us all of my other "useless and vindictive posts"....cut and paste them...show us all just how useless and vindictive i am.

[rawiri]

[quote="Us in DC"]
I have spent time in a number of places where people have pretty extreme views about Americans and have had a lot of luck working with people. Namely Vietnam and Russia. Some people treated me horribly. Some people were great. That's how these things go.

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Thats my point exactly...some people will treat you horribly over here for no more rerason than you are a yank...thats how these things go....can you handle it?....how will you deal with it?...some people will come onto a message board and cry about it...others will think...what the *beep*?...if that gym doesn't want my cash then *beep* them.

[rawiri]

[quote="Us in DC"]
This board is here for people to deal with the feelings they have about issues like this in a constructive way and to get purposeful feedback and not to be insulted by people who are looking to take out their anger against total strangers.


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No it's not....this board isn't here to be dictated to by the likes of you...i have the right to say whatever the hell i want so long as it doesn't offend any of the moderators...i have no anger towards the op at all...as for us in dc...thats a different story...im not going to sympathise with the guy...get over it and go to another gym...problem solved...by the way...koreans hate round eyes...especially yanks.

[rawiri]

[quote="Us in DC"]

To the OP - it's a really unfortunate situation when things like that happen. But I am sure you know that societal changes don't happen when a foreigner comes in and tells people how they should behave. But eventually that person (maybe in his lifetime, maybe a person like him in the future) will have to change. In every place around the world there are the people who want to stop things from changing and hold onto their views. These people will loose this battle in the end. We are planet of people who are converging onto eachothers countries and cultures. By being in Korea and trying to be the best person that you are, as much as you can, despite situations like this and showing people that foreigners are not people to hate but rather embrace then you are already doing all that you can.[/quote]



mate you are so full of poop it isn't funny...try actually experiencing life here before you come across with all of the "you can change them one person at a time" routine...this is korea pal!...they don't want to change!...they have resisited change for 5000 years...but oh no...just wait til good ole us...in dc comes over and starts winning hearts and minds.

You really sound incredibly naieve...just come over and see how things go before shooting your mouth off.

[davyteacher]

Maybe take a trip to the UN Memorial centre in Busan and read the names of soldiers who have died for the Independence of this country. Then ask yourself whether that will justify `racism` in this country. No one should be discriminated against, especially people from countries who have helped this country keep it`s own flag. As a person from Britian I will walk these streets with no****** racism against me, I WILL NOT accept it, even though other people will. I will not be spat in the face and then say `hey, it`s the way they are`. No f***** way, I won`t just accept it. Good luck to that guy who protests, even though it`s a small thing now it`ll get even bigger if you ignore it now and accept it.

Tally ho.

[rapier]

I agree that its good for people to experience racism at some point in life, it awakens their awareness to they way they treat others when they're back home.
I get the feeling a lot of white westerners are naiive, like rawiri says.
Personally me and my family suffered long and hard in Africa after the victory of African nationalism..I don't think many Americans, Australians or New Zealanders will ever have to experience being turfed out the country of their birth and viewed as the enemy by the indigenous peoples. And yet they all claim to be experts on the racism score, while holding onto their priveledged positions in society back home.

[Gideon]

Listen up people... (RAWIRI)... you think that i just got off the boat or something... Hell you make it sound like ooohh this poor guys having a hard time in Korea.. like um some school boy from uni that just landed in this country and am suffereing from racism overload.. booo hoo..

Oh my god.. You think this is the first time i've experienced racism in this country..

When i began this post i was just stating a fact.. Perhaps i was venting a little about my experience in the gym.. My god, relax with the attacks ok

Getting denied membership in a gym is the least of racism i've experienced.

hmmm shall i make a list.??

I've been spit at by one korean in the subway
I've been given countless dirty looks
I've been almost hit by a car a few times...
I've had old school koreans look at me and say something derogatory, and based on their facial expression albeit it wasn't a nice thing they said
I've been turned down to a few clubs
and the list can go on...

All of the above are far more racist than my original post.

Oh by the way... rawiri whats with the hostility.. RELAX!