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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yaya and customX...matching socks or just Koreans behaving similarly? (If you can believe that) You have no idea how typical you are. Nice to keep throwing in insults towards len8, who has a good point about kyopos.
At least the west has refugees wanting to be there. Who knows your story, but you are living in LA (typical), which is enough to make you paradoxically humorous.
I have seen as many asians flipping burgers as caucasians. At least the burger places hire asians, unlike the Korean communities in places like LA, who only hire from "the blood". Of course, when stretched (as in my hometown) they will hire a Japanese or Chinese, as most western people can't readily see the difference, but certainly they won't hire a caucasian.
Interesting side note; why do the number of Koreans decrese sharply as one goes inland in the US and Canada? They aggregate on the West coast...LA or Vancouver, but really never get much farther inland in numbers. Yaya...care to elaborate on that with your wisdom?
I have also heard (just heard, with only one instance to back it up) that Koreans are among the worst at "fitting in" to a new country/culture. I know that a few years ago, a survey among airline stewards names Koreans as the "most belligerent travellers", which although not directly connected to Koreans living abroad, seems to have a connection. (No link for this...heard it from 2 stewards I was talking to on a flight home.)
By the way...."talent" is not a person. Come on man....you grew up in the US, yet you still use konglish?
Anyways, keep believing what your pride is telling you and keep defending your ignorance with insults and konglish. It's really telling.
Hey flutieflakes.....still no links to back up your heresay? |
What is the point of asking all of those inane questions? Many minorities, Koreans included, go to major cities like LA and NY. It ain't a Korean thang to want to go where economic opportunities are high.
Many Korean places hire Koreans because they can speak Korean, but not all. Makes sense, doesn't it?
I know talent isn't a person, just using what the Koreans use, that's all. I guess you've never made grammatical errors, right, person in the glass house throwing stones?
And I simply refuted two of Lame8's assumptions that Korea exports the most babies abroad (FAR from the truth, China exports twice the number that Korea does) and that ethnic Koreans from other nations are treated so "badly" in Korea.
Have a nice day. |
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flutieflakes
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| how many more people live in china than korea????????????? i think per capita its not even close yoyo, or is it yaya???????????? |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Yaya...yes, Koreans speak Korean, but do all of the customers?
"Talent" isn't a grammatical error, it's konglish.
You didn't "simply refute" Len8, you called him down.
The point of asking "inane" questions (which you inspired) is to get answers, which you did. Do you always answer what you see as "inane" questions?
Have an LA day. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| I'd say nicer and classier than many of the whining losers on this forum. |
So, big shot, what do you do for a living? Why do you dislike teachers so much?
Here's mine:
Number one at pissing their pants at the sight of a poodle.
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ratslash

Joined: 08 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| nice! i like this post! |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: whatever
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| nope, i'll leave that to real reality.................... |
hmm....had no idea that reality would be real |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: |
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OK. Yaya. Kopos from Japan, China and other non western countries are treated badly in Korea. This might be very hard for you to take as it reflects badly on Korea, but for heaven sake man get your blinders off. Every country has it's short points, and unfortunately this is one of yours.
Even the Koreans here acknowledge the treatment of their own to-wards others of Korean descent not from Korea. The pretty ones from Russia though don't fare too badly.
Sure there are many Kyopos from the U.S. and Canada here, but deep down in their heart of hearts they know that their acceptance by their countrymen is only skin deep. And that hurts, so they will be in a state of denial till the cows come home. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Korea Ranks First in US Adoptee List
South Korea is still the largest single-country source of foreign-born adoptees to America, according to a report released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Korean adoptees account for 24 percent of internationally adopted children.
The number of Korean adoptees to the U.S. under the age of 18 stood at 48,000 as of Sept. 20, the bureau reported in its special edition published on the occasion of National Adoption Day on Nov. 20. The overall number of adoptees in the U.S. was around 2 million, with 257,792 being Asian-born. According to the previous report announced by the census bureau in 2000, the number of Korean-born adoptees of all ages was 56,825, also the largest portion among foreign-born adoptees. It was much larger than those of more-populated countries such as China (22,410), Russia (20,208) and Mexico (28,090).
Korea Times
September 24, 2004
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200409/kt2004092416513411970.htm |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Yaya...yes, Koreans speak Korean, but do all of the customers?
"Talent" isn't a grammatical error, it's konglish.
You didn't "simply refute" Len8, you called him down.
The point of asking "inane" questions (which you inspired) is to get answers, which you did. Do you always answer what you see as "inane" questions?
Have an LA day. |
Not all of the customers do, but that's why gyopos get hired because in LA, many do speak both languages, and some even speak Spanish. The Korean store owners are also comfortable with someone speaking the language and stuff since many are poor at English. Get it?
I did refute Len8's assumptions, but I guess like him, you don't believe facts. That is YOUR lame problem.
I have no idea what your "inane" comments meant, but oh well, go ahead and ramble, dude.
Fry on, Demo. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Korea Ranks First in US Adoptee List
South Korea is still the largest single-country source of foreign-born adoptees to America, according to a report released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Korean adoptees account for 24 percent of internationally adopted children.
The number of Korean adoptees to the U.S. under the age of 18 stood at 48,000 as of Sept. 20, the bureau reported in its special edition published on the occasion of National Adoption Day on Nov. 20. The overall number of adoptees in the U.S. was around 2 million, with 257,792 being Asian-born. According to the previous report announced by the census bureau in 2000, the number of Korean-born adoptees of all ages was 56,825, also the largest portion among foreign-born adoptees. It was much larger than those of more-populated countries such as China (22,410), Russia (20,208) and Mexico (28,090).
Korea Times
September 24, 2004
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200409/kt2004092416513411970.htm |
Note the fine print, Real, Korean sends more adoptees to the US. China is still tops overall.
Real, seriously, I can recommend a good shrink to get you off your crazy rocker. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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OK. Yaya. Kopos from Japan, China and other non western countries are treated badly in Korea. This might be very hard for you to take as it reflects badly on Korea, but for heaven sake man get your blinders off. Every country has it's short points, and unfortunately this is one of yours.
Even the Koreans here acknowledge the treatment of their own to-wards others of Korean descent not from Korea. The pretty ones from Russia though don't fare too badly.
Sure there are many Kyopos from the U.S. and Canada here, but deep down in their heart of hearts they know that their acceptance by their countrymen is only skin deep. And that hurts, so they will be in a state of denial till the cows come home. |
I wonder how many gyopos you actually know. I was actually quite surprised at how many Koreans opted to return to Korea despite having the ability to live abroad.
Fry on. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Hey come on man. They only return for the money, and can't wait to get the hell out of here. |
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Sucker
Joined: 11 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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There are approximately 2 million ethnic Korean Chinese citizens, approximately 200,000 of them now live in South Korea. These Korean-Chinese were deliberately excluded from the "F" visa program when it was incepted. The majority have come over here on the recently overhauled "industrial trainee system" (60% of which went underground to become illegal workers within months of entering the country - as the law of the time required that they be payed far less than a "real" Korean for doing the same job).
There have been significant social problems involved with their integration into Korean society (my personal favourite is the law that was passed requiring that Korean nationals outnumber Korean-Chinese on fishing boats as a few too many abusive cabtins were thrown overboard).
Common complaints from those comming here for manual labor (the majority of whom are Chinese Koreans) include, the witholding or nonpayment of salaries, insulting, violence and even sexual abuse.
A new problem that is emerging (both in Korea and in China) is fake visa agencies / people smugglers. Taking money from these Korean Chinese and then abandoning them in South Korea with no job and no legal means to find employment.
Over the past several weeks I have met over a hunded migrant workers here - many of whom where Chinese Korean (see my previous thread where I asked for advice about finding them). Trust me, it may be a generalization but, we English teachers are treated a lot better by Korean sociey than the majority of Kyopos. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hey come on man. They only return for the money, and can't wait to get the hell out of here. |
Obviously, you haven't met too many gyopos. But then again, when you're surrounded by burger flippers, of course you're gonna meet people who can only teach English.
I've met Korean-Canadians, Korean-Aussies and Korean-Americans who've made the decision to settle down here. It all depends on how you present yourself and stuff. Granted, connections and the ability to wine and dine clients are a big plus, but they can only last so far. Some gyopos come here with advanced degrees and such; one guy I know has a sister who works for the PR dept. of Samsung Electronics. She has a master's and doesn't get as much as she might in the US, but she loves it.
Len8, please don't speak for gyopos as you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Many gyopos return to the West but to my surprise during my nine-year sojourn in Korea, many elect to stay and those who did leave Korea end up returning after getting an advanced degree. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| Len8 wrote: |
| Hey come on man. They only return for the money, and can't wait to get the hell out of here. |
Obviously, you haven't met too many gyopos. But then again, when you're surrounded by burger flippers, of course you're gonna meet people who can only teach English.
I've met Korean-Canadians, Korean-Aussies and Korean-Americans who've made the decision to settle down here. It all depends on how you present yourself and stuff. Granted, connections and the ability to wine and dine clients are a big plus, but they can only last so far. Some gyopos come here with advanced degrees and such; one guy I know has a sister who works for the PR dept. of Samsung Electronics. She has a master's and doesn't get as much as she might in the US, but she loves it.
Len8, please don't speak for gyopos as you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Many gyopos return to the West but to my surprise during my nine-year sojourn in Korea, many elect to stay and those who did leave Korea end up returning after getting an advanced degree. |
Why did you leave Korea? Why are you surprised at the people who stay in Korea?
The "burger" thing is getting old. We are in your native country, teaching the Korean youth of tomorrow...your blood kin...so we take comfort in the fact that you are the one working in your parents dry cleaners/hair salon/convenience store/restaurant (since we are pulling out the cliches, might as well feed you a few), doing menial chores for your parent's handouts.
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