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Ryst Helmut
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 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:27 am Post subject: Grammar Q: future perfect with .... |
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Ok guys, a student came to me with this question, and I am not sure how to answer....
Here's the sentence he gave me:
"By the time Cedric gets married, I will still have been staying at the same homestay."
He means that Cedric is getting married in December, and the writer will still be residing at his current homestay when the marriage takes place.
He has to be able to express this using the future perfect or future perfect progressive.
I've a few ideas, but I need some advice.
Thanks in advance!
!Shoosh
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ummmm....hasn't he already done it? The future perfect progressive is "will" + "have been" + "present participle" + "~ing" ending. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Grammar Q: future perfect with .... |
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| Ryst Helmut wrote: |
Ok guys, a student came to me with this question, and I am not sure how to answer....
Here's the sentence he gave me:
"By the time Cedric gets married, I will still have been staying at the same homestay."
He means that Cedric is getting married in December, and the writer will still be residing at his current homestay when the marriage takes place.
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if you're using the continuous form there needs to be a sense of how long the thing has been happening for.
By the time Cedric gets married, I will have been staying at the same homestay for X months.
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shaun k
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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"By the time Cedric gets married, I will still have been staying at the same homestay" is a terrible sentence. it doesnt have to be so so complicated. how about:
"when cedric gets married, I will still be at the same homestay." |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Grammar Q: future perfect with .... |
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| peppermint wrote: |
if you're using the continuous form there needs to be a sense of how long the thing has been happening for.
By the time Cedric gets married, I will have been staying at the same homestay for X months. |
Yes, this is what is needed to give the use of Present Perfect Continuous meaning. That tense doesn't say that he will be living at the homestay at the time of the wedding, it says that he will have been living there for a certain time, and if you're not going to say how long, then it is pointless to use that tense. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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How about just using the future progressive:
When Cedric gets married, I will still be staying at the same homestay.
I suspect this is closer to what the guy was trying to say.
But then again.............  |
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matthewwoodford
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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'still' would imply from now or before now until a future point in time.
Future Perfect Progressive measures the length of an activity from a future time to a still further future time.
You can't use them both together in the same sentence, at least not in that one you gave as an example.
Good luck explaining that to the student. |
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J.B. Clamence
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
'still' would imply from now or before now until a future point in time.
Future Perfect Progressive measures the length of an activity from a future time to a still further future time.
You can't use them both together in the same sentence, at least not in that one you gave as an example.
Good luck explaining that to the student. |
You're right, I didn't notice the word "still". It does not make sense to say "I still will have been living there for X months" because it would be a different amount of time from now, and "still" indicates the same, not different.
However, it is incorrect that Future Perfect Progressive measures only an activity from a future time to a still further time. It can be that, or it can also measure an activity from a past time up to a future time, which can include the present. For example, I came to Korea a year and a half ago (past time), and I can say that "In March, I will have been living here for two years." |
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matthewwoodford
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Oops my mistake. Thanks for clearing that up. I knew there was a reason why the word 'still' seemed wrong in that sentence, just picked on the wrong reason. |
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