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khkhkhk... consonant or hairball?
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: khkhkhk... consonant or hairball? Reply with quote

I've been in Korea a couple months, and I finally worked up the courage to ask someone about this strange sound I've been hearing. When I saw an older lady in a hanbok on TV ad doing it, I knew this was not just something stuck in the throats of my co-workers.

It tends to show up between words, usually when the speaker is quite excited about something, and I've only ever heard adults do it.

It reminds me of a German or Dutch consonant, like when you hear the proper pronunciation of "Van Gogh". It's guttural, scraping noise in the throat, and it's a little scary.

At first, the man I asked had no clue about what I was referring to. However, someone made this "khkhkhkhk.." sound within earshot and I was able to clue him in.

He thought about it for a long time, before describing it as "a habit that we don't recognize" and a noise indicating that the speaker is excited (whether positively or negatively), or perhaps just thinking between words. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a way to express this noise onomaticapaeically (i.e., I don't know how to spell it).

So, have you noticed this? Do you agree with my friend's explanation? Do you ever do it when you're speaking Korean as a second language? Does it scare you?

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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's sort of how in English how you might say,

"Oh, I reAAAAAAAAAly like that!"

or,

"I don't know whaaaaaaaaaaaat he was thinking!"

Except a lot more annoying. I guess they probably find our elongations annoying as well. With ours, at least you don't have to worry about getting hit by phlegm.
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Buff



Joined: 07 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's the equivalent of uh or um... in Korean it's �� ... it means the. Kind of like "It's the... the... the uhh... y'know that thing."
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casey's moon



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're right about �� meaning "um" but I think the OP is referring to a different sound that can't be written romanised or in hangeul... I sometimes hear it in the middle of the word "����" ("very" for the really new newbies)... and it doesn't have any meaning except "very very very" in that case.

Methinks.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, the OP is referring to something that makes my hair stand up when i hear it...i flinch thinking someone's about to hork a spitball.


J.B. and casey's moon are correct... it is used to 'emphasize' when speaking.
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's like us when we emphasize "big" by exaggerating the plosive-ness of the intial 'b' sound. You know... like the times you say "big" and end up spitting on other people.

Brian
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Yangkho



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Honam

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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own_king



Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Location: here

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it's the most annoying bloody noise and you're right most Koreans probably don't even know they're doing it. And whenever I ask a korean about it, they don't know what i'm talking about.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha. true.
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Pulgasori



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: En Route to Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of the Korean girls I talk with on MSN often use 'kkkkkk' in place of 'lol or haha'. When I asked what it meant they refered me to that 'khkhkhkh' sound, and told me it was similar to giggling.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pulgasori wrote:
A couple of the Korean girls I talk with on MSN often use 'kkkkkk' in place of 'lol or haha'. When I asked what it meant they refered me to that 'khkhkhkh' sound, and told me it was similar to giggling.


'kkkk' is chat speak for laughing, but the 'khhhkhhhk' dragging on gravel-sound, is used for emphatic stress of words.
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Buff



Joined: 07 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooohhhhh THAT. at first i didn't know what it was but my bf pointed it out to me this morning when we were walking.... yeah i can see how that would be annoying. Great... now I'll start noticing it all the time...
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it sounds wicked- really hammers a point home (although I don't know what the point is).

The most annoying noise korean people make is the ajumma gum clicking, but then that's a totally different topic.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it all the time. Before I even game to Korea, in fact.
The reason is that we have a highly similar effusive, gutteral exclamation in Zimbabwe/ S.Africa. Although ours is more like "Aaakkkggghhh", it basically means the same thing. Used to express dissapointment, disgust, or frustration.
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Chillin' Villain



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta admit, I think the hairball-emphasis sound is awesome... It really expresses emphasis sometimes... I've never (and I doubt I ever will) quite used THAT sound, but do sometimes add a native-style emphasis sound to some adjectives/adverbs in Korean (a-ju, ja-ju, neo-mu, man-hi... office 'puter lacks the 'geul...) I'm certainly not an advanced speaker yet, and my use of the emphasis sounds are more experimental mimicry (mimickry? what's a dictionary?) than anything, but I never really get any negative feedback from it- they just act like I was saying something normal....

Anyways... hairball= expressive & entertaining (in my perspective), as long as it's coming from someone speaking boisterously and not cantankerously.... And I can certainly understand why it would annoy the hell out of some people as well.
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