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MixtecaMike

Joined: 24 Nov 2003 Location: 3rd Largest Train Station in Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: What video card tpo buy? |
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I just got my computer, but the onboard video is only the SIS661 or some such thing and my favorite games Morrowind, Rise of Nations and Empire Earth cause it to crash.
I had the same problem back in Mexico and putting in a 440MX card solved the problem, I don't need anything super powerful, just something that will run RPG and RTS type games.
What is the best bet for under 100,000? I have seen FX5200, the odd FX5700LE and the good old MX440 in this price range, also some ATI cards, ATI7000 for about 46,000 and an ATI 9200 for 100,000.
Or anything else you might recommend. |
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muggie2dammit
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Location: Ilsan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: Cards |
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You can get the Radeon 9200, 9250, 9550, or, at a pinch, a 9600SE for under 100,000 won.
If you prefer nVidia, you could get a GeForce4-Ti4200 or a FX5500 for just under 100,000 won.
That would give you what you need, and the better ones will give you *far* better performance than a GeForceMX-anything.
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Don't skimp on the video card if the games you love are crashing, you'll be throwing away your money.
For ATI don't get anything under the 9700 chipset (9500 pro, 9700); It's a bit confusing- the 9500 (std., not pro) is not this level of chipset, while the 9600 is actually above it (as a scaled down 9800 chipset).
Muggie's suggest of a 9600SE is a safe bet. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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geforce 4 ti4200 128mg will be what you are needing..
its just 100.000 |
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MixtecaMike

Joined: 24 Nov 2003 Location: 3rd Largest Train Station in Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Tom's has a new video card review page up, for anyone else interested.
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| http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/index.html |
I was happy with my last card, an nvidia, but would be prepared to try ATI.
Which do you guys recommend? |
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Bunnymonster

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| dunno, some Nvidia drivers crashed my machine spectacularly, so I avoid all their stuff if I can, but others say good things , but I'm very happy with my 9600XT......... |
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JAMZ

Joined: 18 May 2004 Location: Ori Station, Bundang
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Bunnymonster wrote: |
| dunno, some Nvidia drivers crashed my machine spectacularly, so I avoid all their stuff if I can, but others say good things , but I'm very happy with my 9600XT......... |
my 9600XT is SWEET.... runs everything great |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
geforce 4 ti4200 128mg will be what you are needing..
its just 100.000 |
I have that... it's too old for newest DirectX, too HOT, and too LOUD (3 fans)!
Go with a newer Nvidia. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| The argument between Nvidia vs. ATI these days is kind of like Windows vs. Apple. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
geforce 4 ti4200 128mg will be what you are needing..
its just 100.000 |
I have that... it's too old for newest DirectX, too HOT, and too LOUD (3 fans)!
Go with a newer Nvidia. |
its is a NVIDIA.. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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But it's seriously yesterday's hardware. DX8 and all. That card is already 2 complete product cycles old (nearly 2 years) and it's not even worth the 100,000.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone right now....well, ok....maybe my father, but he isn't a power user.  |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Derrek wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
geforce 4 ti4200 128mg will be what you are needing..
its just 100.000 |
I have that... it's too old for newest DirectX, too HOT, and too LOUD (3 fans)!
Go with a newer Nvidia. |
its is a NVIDIA.. |
I wasn't denying it was an NVIDIA. I like NVIDIA.
I got burned bad by an ATI 9600Pro which had a frame-freeze issue that I found hundreds of people also had, and ATI refused to deal with. I took it back. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| I wasn't denying it was an NVIDIA. I like NVIDIA. |
So because you had a problem that you don't even know if it was related to one model graphic card, everyone should just buy from the other guy?
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| I got burned bad by an ATI 9600Pro which had a frame-freeze issue that I found hundreds of people also had, and ATI refused to deal with. I took it back. |
I was curious about this because ATI has sold trillions of graphic cards and I have an ATI9600Pro in use in a guest computer that I used to use as my primary graphic card and I've never had the problem you speak of. And a search of Google failed to find a single person who had the same problem as you. I tried variations of "frame freeze" to just "freezing" and a couple varations of "ATI 9600pro". If you had found that indeed found that hundreds of people all had the same problem, I suspect that finding others with the same problem would have been easily found.
I'm not saying that your problem didn't exist, but I suspect it wasn't related to a design defect of the card but either a manufacting error in your card or of another component in your computer.
Back to the original question, I would go with an ATI 9550-128MB. 80-90K, good enough for games on the market today to look pretty, and provides the best balance of price/performance in the under 100K price range in my opinion. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: |
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When it comes to glitches, it's usually software, as no company can even begin to fathom the amount of stuff and configurations of each individual. They shoot for the norm hardware wise and basic software configs, which isn't always suitable.
ATI do have quite high standards when it comes to production, and thus most ATI cards (and Nvidia for that matter) don't stray far from the reference design. Nvidia lets people loose a bit more on the cooling side of things, but basic PCB layout is usually the same. This keeps their name safe and standards high.
I have found ATI to be top notch, and would side with Gord in agreeing that it is more likely to be your individual system's problem, though one cannot completely rule out a defect in the card....it does happen. |
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muggie2dammit
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Location: Ilsan, Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="MixtecaMike"]
I was happy with my last card, an nvidia, but would be prepared to try ATI.
Which do you guys recommend?[/quote]
For the newest cutting-edge stuff, I'd go nVidia.
At the price range you're looking at, I'd go ATi.
My general advice: Radeon 9550 or 9600SE. They're not all made equally well, so gimme an email sometime if you want some more info.
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