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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 5:41 am Post subject: Is it an insecure nation? |
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Korea isn't doing too bad, is it? Yet there seems to be an inferiority complex and a lot of comparing with other countries. And a sensitivity towards criticism. And why do I also seems to hear comments based upon my presence, especially more so if with other foreigners? Guess I could be paranoid. The other night though another foreign friend and me went to a small spot to drink a beer. The other two tables with Koreans seemed to me to be abuzz with comments on foreigners and English. I just seemed to hear, "What are they talking about?" and "They can't speak Korean." And other similar-type comments a lot. And then yesterday just sitting talking with a Korean girl who had good English it seemed several Koreans were interested in what we were saying. One guy sat nearby and just watched for a good 20 minutes, apparently listening or else a bit mystified about the English, more likely by the expression on his face. I imagined he might have thought, boy I hate that language, in my country I want to hear Korean ALL the time. Don't know why it even bothers me. I'm sure there are many more examples where some insecurity seems to exist. Is it an easily offended nation? |
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FierceInvalid

Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Koreans are very touchy about their country. I think a lot of it comes as a result of being in between China and Japan, and also lets face it the 20th century didn't go so well for Korea...
Most of the time they probably just want to see how much English they can catch. I do this with Korean conversations, though I obviously have no shortage of options. |
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sickboy

Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Location: Miari Texas
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely. |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: Beneath the Underdog
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 8:13 am Post subject: |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Koreans are very touchy about their country. I think a lot of it comes as a result of being in between China and Japan, and also lets face it the 20th century didn't go so well for Korea... < |
don't forget about russia either... being surrounded by superpowers (current, former and probably will be) must have some effect on the national psyhce.
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Being surrounded by Russia, China, Japan, etc. has nothing to do with the behavior of koreans. Nor does the past. I mean, it's like the U.S. holding a grudge because of the civil war, or WW1, WW2, etc. it's over, done with and life goes on. If koreans hold grudges, it's their shorhcomings and ignorance then. I think it's all monkey see monkey do attutude. All is calm until someone starts to stir up some B.S. and then all jump on the bandwagon! Koreans will never change their ways to get along with the world or be leaders in the world. They will always be followers. I thought that perhaps that the younger generation would change but they are not. They still follow what the older ones say and want. Koreans don't not think independently; they don't know how. It's part of the culture. It's not good or bad, just korean. It's their country and its worked for them for centuries even though the rest of the world does not always agree. But even though it works for them does not mean it is right also. |
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steroidmaximus

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: GangWon-Do
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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This morning I'm a Korean apologist. Maybe cuz it's teacher's day
At this point I should mention that there are plenty of examples on this board alone of people who get offended when their country or elements of it are discussed negatively. . . I wouldn't limit your statement by labelling this behaviour as strictly a Korean phenomenon.
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Sliver

Joined: 04 May 2003 Location: The third dimension
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Right on SM. CMG for example launched into a true defensive stance on New Zealand recently (quite rightly so I might add) which is totally a reasonable response from someone who loves their country .
Also, why do some people on this board have to carpet bomb all Koreans?
Is it so hard to type the word "some" or even "most" if you have to?

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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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looks like hellofaniceguy's trying to style himself as some kind of low-rent narsty dog. but without the humor or the insight. keep it up.
yeah, koreans are insecure about their country and culture. hundreds of years of china-worshipping yangban rule, colonisation by a neighboring country, quasi-colonisation by a superpower, being the smallest - and in some ways still - weakest country in the region.... is anyone surprised?
it's funny though. new zealanders aren't exactly the most secure nationality either. i can see how it does come from living in a backwater country. go to new zealand and you will hear a lot of the things you hear here - "how do you like it?", "have you tried pavlova?", "this is the cleanest country in the world", "oh, we don't have (fill in the blank) like you do in your dirty, smoggy country", "we HATE Australia", "we invented powered flight/atomic energy/meringue cake". Plus, ANY criticism of NZ is not kindly received at all, even if we'd say the same thing ourselves. Koreans don't seem much (if any) worse than kiwis to me in that respect. |
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bignate

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Location: Hell's Ditch
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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hellofaniceguy wrote: |
Being surrounded by Russia, China, Japan, etc. has nothing to do with the behavior of koreans. Nor does the past. I mean, it's like the U.S. holding a grudge because of the civil war, or WW1, WW2, etc. it's over, done with and life goes on. |
Yes, and slavery has nothing to do with the behaviour or identities of African Americans since it is the past. And there is no real animosity between the Northern States and the Southern States, the Civil War is History, no affect there. How about the invasion of Korea by Japan, nope no influence at all ... etc, etc.
Of course the past is going to affect the present. Everyone knows that no matter how one tries, their past is going to influence the way they think, act, and reason. Korea has always been surrounded by strong, imperialist nations. Their sense of nationalism is important to their identities and makes them feel worthy in a world that has often times through out their history made them subservient to another culture.
As far as this being a "monkey see, monkey do" mentality, that is how much of human behaviour is passed along, in fact I think you yourself may have been a monkey once or twice, and so have I.
Now are these actions right? That is yet to be seen. But please, when you make such wild suggestions, and theoretical statements try to explain them better.
Anyone can say what they want I guess, just a matter of having an opinion and typing like a good monkey.
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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steroidmaximus wrote: |
At this point I should mention that there are plenty of examples on this board alone of people who get offended when their country or elements of it are discussed negatively. . . I wouldn't limit your statement by labelling this behaviour as strickly a Korean phenomenon. |
Hear hear. Well said, I indeed, do not like foreigners criticising my country especially when people tar me and each one of my 60 million compatriates with the same brush, with misinformation and false assumptions about us. Posters on this board do this for Koreans and then call them insecure when they get upset about it. "truth hurts" some might say, but others might say that some people ought to learn a bit more about this country before labelling every last one of its citizens with the same tag. |
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