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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject: Hanguk University you have got to be kidding! |
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What an insult to foreign English language teachers! The conditions are terrible considering the level you are expected to teach and the amount of preparation that must be involved in order to do your job as a teacher effectively. The problem is that there are some 'teachers' out there that will think this is a good deal and jump at the chance to work at a 'university'. Oh the prestige! "I work at a uni, nah nah nah na na"!
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students include government officials, university students and business people |
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Practical English, Audio/Video, Discussion, Public Speaking, Pronunciation, Listening Learning to Speak, TOEIC, TOEFL and Reading and Writing. |
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Instructors generally teach classes in not only the day course, but in the evening courses as well.
They teach between 2 to 6 hours during the day, each class lasting either one or two hours, and frequently teach additional hours (between 1.5 and 4 hours) in the evening, between the hours of 5:40 and 9:20pm. Total daily teaching hours are variable, though not exceeding 8 hours. |
So you could be teaching up to 8 hours a day! Wow lucky you!
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Health insurance: 40% paid by the university, nationalized plan |
So generous!
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Yearly salary : 22,400,000~28,000,000 won (before tax) |
Ok, so this is for 9 months, because if you look below the vacations are unpaid. So presumably if you teach the full hours of 8 per day you get a little over 3 million won per month. Not counting prep time of course.
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12 weeks vacation, 6 weeks in winter and 6 weeks in summer.(unpaid vacation) |
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One-year contract, renewable for another year on good standing |
You get a maximum of two years it seems depending on the goodness of their hearts.
Anyway apologies to those intending on applying for this heaven sent opportunity, but personally I think it is bollocks! |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: yes |
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It might be worth buckling down for 9 months, and then springboard onto a different University with that experience.
Not that I am pursuing the position, but it's a valid point. You have to eat shit before you can eat caviar. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ilsanman,
Caviar? In Korea? For foreigners? |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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It could be a worthwhile investment. Certain student types and subjects listed are great for future endeavors. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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If I was looking for work and didn't have any other cool offers, I'd sign up for it. Easier to prepare and teach adults than children, the time goes by faster, and it pays pretty damn well despite the extra work. Then overdose on the holidays doing other work for huge cash. |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Man, a lot of you out there are golden boys or something.  |
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J.B. Clamence

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Hanguk University you have got to be kidding! |
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fidel wrote: |
What an insult to foreign English language teachers! |
I think it depends on the applicant. For a university teacher looking for another uni job, and assured of finding another one, then you're right that this job is not worth considering. However, for a hakwon teacher working 30 hours a week with one week of vacation a year (which they can take if they are lucky), and having a hard time breaking into the uni scene, I'd say this is definately a step up. |
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John Henry
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Oh no... You actually have to put in an EIGHT HOUR DAY!!! How barbaric.
And what's that? Your THREE MONTH VACATION isn't paid?
Yeah, I'd definately be insulted if someone told me I had to put in 40 hrs a week, and take off for three months out of the year.  |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Okay John Henry you smartass, it's a potential eight hours of teaching, not sitting around on your fat butt picking your nose and surfing porn on the net.
If you were a teacher, and by your own admission your not, you would realize that taking 8 hours of classes for adults in a variety of subjects is not a walk in the park, and involves a substantial amount of prep time. So, and let me spell it out for you plain and simple. You are teaching for 8 hours and preparing for X amount of hours. Which if you use your accounting skills = more than 8 hours per day. Just what Korea needs is another *beep* coming over here, to trumpet his intellectual prowess right back at ya!
Okay I agree with some of the posters that if your stuck in the hogwan rot it could be a job to get that much needed experience to move into the university market. However that wasn't the point of my post. The conditions in my mind are substandard and possibly reflective of the market in korea, with foreign workers willing to settle for less.
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pays pretty damn well despite the extra work |
Okay, if you are teaching the maximum hours of 40 per week, add on another 5 hours minumum for prep time, times it by 4 for the month and you have 180 hours. Divide3.1 million by 180hours and you get about 17000 won per hour + change. Good money? I suppose that's up to the individual. Now divide the yearly salary into 12 months instead of 9 and you get the grand total of 2.3 million per month for 160 hours of teaching less prep time. The bonus of calculating it this way is that your vacation is paid for.
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Easier to prepare and teach adults than children |
In my experience adults expect a lot more out of a lesson and are more easily able to identify whether or not you have prepared, or conversely just 'winging' it. However, I'm sure that some people could find it easier to prepare for adults than children.
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Man, a lot of you out there are golden boys or something |
Don't really understand your comment, is this a statement or a question?
If your calling me a golden boy because I'm not desperate enough to prostitute myself to a university with so little reward, then it's true. If you posing the question whether there are 'golden boys' in korea teaching, then I'd have to answer that yes there are. |
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CanadaCommando

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Location: People's Republic of C.C.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Oh no... You actually have to put in an EIGHT HOUR DAY!!! How barbaric.
And what's that? Your THREE MONTH VACATION isn't paid?
Yeah, I'd definately be insulted if someone told me I had to put in 40 hrs a week, and take off for three months out of the year. |
John Henry, if you dont know the teaching biz, don't make comments such as the above...Makes you look like a freakin moron.
NO TEACHER (or rather VERY VERY few) teaches 40 hours a week, unless they are doing alot of overtime/sidework. The average hours for Hokwans is around 30, public school around 20, and Uni's even less.
The vacation is a way to cheap out and not pay for it...because they have to sign you for a year anyway. Just think of it as a company telling you they were going to lay you off for 3 months every year-still sound as thrillin? Idiot.
Job itself-not something I would go for either, though its not ridiculous. If you are trying to work your way up in the Hierarchy, there are better ways, in my opinion. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Firstly, teaching 40 hours a week will result in mental health problems and probably physical problems, as well.
Not a good idea.
20 - 25 hours a week, contact hours, with some prep are reasonable. Any more than that and you should be looking for somewher else to teach.
Secondly, I think this is an extremely uncompetitive university teaching position. Even if one did accept this job, I would be concerned about all of the other 'hidden' rules and regulations or hang-ups involved with the job.
Unpaid leave at a university?
Experienced, qualified teachers would avoid a job like this.
However, after having read the above posts, it also depends where you are coming from.
This job could also be perceived by some to be a 'step up' in the TEFL'ing world.
Is this the direction Korean universities are going in hiring foreign language teachers, whether they are Russian, Japanese or English instructors? |
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angelgirl
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: hagwon not uni |
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This ad is for the language centre, not the university. So it is a hogwan type contract.
They have a different version fo horror for the university proper. really the wrong word!! |
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xCustomx

Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: hagwon not uni |
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angelgirl wrote: |
This ad is for the language centre, not the university. So it is a hogwan type contract.
They have a different version fo horror for the university proper. really the wrong word!! |
You're about 3 years late on this one |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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The worst thing about it is the name. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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Ilsanman wrote: |
It might be worth buckling down for 9 months, and then springboard onto a different University with that experience.
Not that I am pursuing the position, but it's a valid point. You have to eat *beep* before you can eat caviar. |
Being stupid again? Ive eaten caviar before, never eaten shit. Youre becoming as stupid as Guri Guy. |
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