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[schwa]

Real Reality, I posted a link above that leads to 40+ links to authoritative sources reporting on extensive cheating on SATs & in prestigious universities in America. Even a couple books on the subject. You ignored my request for a comment but you keep hammering away at some opaque point you seem to be trying to make about Korea.

Expecting seriously that you dont have a point, I'll ask again anyway: how is Korea any different or worse than the US (& elsewhere) in terms of academic cheating? The link again:

http://www.cheatingculture.com/education.htm

[Real Reality]

schwa asked,
"how is Korea any different or worse than the US (& elsewhere) in terms of academic cheating?"

Press reports so far say that similar scams could have been perpetrated for years with the approval of parents.

The news comes as a great shock because most people, especially high school seniors and their parents, have been taking the university entrance exam so seriously. After all, it has become one of the most important and crucial tests in the life of most Koreans, since its outcome, for all intents and purposes, decides their future. In order to prepare for this exam, youngsters go through the purgatory of years of study, practically from kindergarten on.

A sympathetic general public, mindful of their hardship and suffering, has been providing the students with all possible assistance such as, for instance, the suspension of airplane flights for up to an hour, lest the noise should interfere with the listening and comprehension test during the exam.

Many people, therefore, are naturally disgusted and outraged when they learn that the "smart ones" devised an electronic scheme to let the "dumb ones," if they had enough money, score good grades and help them enter one of the prestigious universities. What is more disturbing is the report that some of the teachers who were supervising the tests were said to have looked the other way when they noticed the cheating.

Ours is an intensely competitive society as so many people live in such a small and limited land. We are forced, as a result, to be aggressive and overly selfish just to keep up with - let alone, take a step ahead of - others. In other words, just to make a living and survive, most people come to believe that it is unavoidable sometimes to bend or ignore the laws and regulations.
A lawless world
Cho Se-hyon, (Seoul Seacher) The Korea Herald (November 30, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/11/30/200411300009.asp

According to a recent survey, as many as 90 percent of Korea's youth think they live in a country that's corrupt, and a considerable number of them say they're ready to join the club if the occasions calls for it later in life.
Rotten to the Core?, Chosun Ilbo
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html

Korean students attending an American high school based in Jakarta, Indonesia, bribed security guards at the school and stole final exams, according to the Korean Embassy in Indonesia. The 26 Korean nationals, who were 10th graders at Jakarta International School, photocopied the exam papers and then figured out the answers with the help of private academy instructors, the embassy said. According to the embassy, they received almost perfect scores on the exam.
Students expelled from Jakarta school
by Kim Nam-joong, JoongAng Daily (July 21, 2003)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200307/21/200307210114137209900090409041.html

Police say a cheating ring also aided English testees
When the cheating system was developed in 2000, according to police, answers were written on slips of paper and passed to the examinees by someone also in the testing center. More sophisticated measures came later; small two-way radios were used to relay answers.
by Lee Chul-jae, JoongAng Daily (April 23, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200404/23/200404232229425879900090409041.html

Universities Fighting Back at Cheaters
The reputation of university campuses has been stained, with many students being found cheating on their examinations. "It is a serious problem that students, who are usually so self-righteous, achieve their goals by cheating and yet feel no guilt," says Jin Kyo-hun, professor of ethics at Seoul National University.
by Lee Se-min, Chosun Ilbo (October 17, 2002)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200210/200210170032.html

...a survey taken at Ewha Womans University indicating that 45% of students admitted to cheating, and many of them said they didn't feel guilty about it.... "cheating is OK, but just don't get caught."
Cheating and Culture. Steve Garrigues (ed.). The English Connection. July 1998. Volume 2 / Issue 4 (page 10).
http://www.kotesol.org/publications/tec/tec_pdf/tec_9807.pdf

Professors Cheat to Maintain SCI Scores
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it....a professor Kang at "D" University aged more than 50, concluded a secret agreement with a newly appointed professor to have his name added to papers in exchange for hiring him as opposed to other candidates. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
by Choi Won-seok, Chosun Ilbo (April 25, 2002)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html

schwa,
How is Korea similar or better than the US (& elsewhere) in terms of academic honesty and integrity?

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Real Reality]

TheUrbanMyth and Mr. Pink,
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If you two could get together and have an offspring, then you could have this post.

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[TheUrbanMyth]

[Real Reality]

The best menage a trois from Dave's ESL Cafe.
TheUrbanMyth
Mr. Pink
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[TheUrbanMyth]

[Hollywoodaction]

I think I've seen every possible scam that a student can pull. It appears 20 to 30% of my university students routinely write on their desks or on the walls before the exams. Some have hidden cheat cheets somewhere under or around their desks. I've even caught some who had sent their friends to take the exam for them. Despite all the energy that they waste on cheating, I doubt someone has succesfully cheated on my exams. They are just so bad at it.

[Real Reality]

More Substitute Exam-Takers Give Themselves Up to Police
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (December 2, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200412/kt2004120216162953460.htm

Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."

Really?

[Mr. Pink]

The only evidence you have given me are news stories which are questionable, like all Korean media is.

Now you want to quote me: Do you honestly think a month from now there will be any news stories on the KSAT cheating? The Korean media is well known for making a huge deal out of something, to get a "shock value", then they just leave that and go for the next "shock topic"...they don't come back, especially when numbers are less than they always predict.

A few students cheating: If 75,000 students took that test and only 1000 cheated, yes that is a few when compared to the total.

Also, you fail to give credit to how well known SAT cheating is...and I would be willing to bet the % of students who cheat on the SAT is probably 2-3x MORE than the % of students who cheat on the KSAT.

I am glad you decided to come up with a whopping 2 opinions that didn't have news links.

Perhaps if you actually added YOUR OWN OPINIONS on the things you do link, people like me wouldn't care. However, and this is what you fail to realize:

You mostly use the Korean media as your "proof" for whatever point (always something negative about Korea) you are trying to make. Yet, as I have said before, the Korean media is all about shock and sensasionalism. So trying to prove something with an unrealible source, makes your existance on this forum questionable.

If your RL personality is anything like your posting personality, you really don't need to wonder why you aren't paid the same or promoted like your Korean counterparts, I can tell you right now, it is not because you are a foreigner, it is because you are YOU.

[coolsage]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Real Reality]

1,625 More Suspected of Exam Cheating
By Bae Keun-min, Korea Times, December 6, 2004
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200412/kt2004120616473010510.htm

Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."

Really?

Police Confirm Group of Students Cheated on College Entrance Exam
Yonhap News (November 20, 2004)
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20041120/300100000020041120180906E9.html

[Real Reality]

Gwangju Exposes 72 Cheaters from Last Year
The Gwangju Investigation Unit for the College Scholastic Aptitude Test cheating incidents (Chief Lee Joong-hwan, First Criminal Division) stated December 8, "While reviewing the cheating cases received by the police, we found similar methods of cheating through cell phones that occurred during last year's exam."
Donga.com (December 8, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004120985408

Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."

Really?

[Hollywoodaction]

Maybe they should take more active measures to block cell phones. Are blocking and jamming transmitters illegal in Korea? If they are, they should pass a law that would allow them to be used in schools during exams.