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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds like she dislikes you for some reason. When I was at a public school, I had a very similar problem with two of my coworkers. They just decided a few months in that I didn't fit the mold they wanted in class and gave me as much of a hard time as they could. It's a bitch to deal with. I like the behavioral log idea, and also recommend you take it beyond just you and her. It's senseless to go head-to-head with her. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Never confront a kid who defies you. It's a lose-lose situation.
Either leave the room and get some Korean authority-figure in to handle it, or, continue with the class and keep that student behind for punishment after class. Like a detention or a big homework. |
I'm lucky in this regard. Sometimes a smartalec or evil student will say no usually after I tell them to change desks or stand at the back of the room. I give them a choice, do as I say or stand outside the classroom, (I open the door at this point. They ALWAYS back down. Why you ask? Because if their Korean teacher sees them in the hall they'll get yelled at, and the boss will always come along wondering why the door is open, that spells even bigger trouble for them! |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Kick them out.
If they say no, pick up their bags and toss them out.
Nine times out of ten they follow their stuff.
Lock the door behind them. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| I figure you've got half a second to get them in line with the evil teacher stare. Then they hop back on again. Past a second, if the evil teacher stare isn't doing it, then kicking them out sounds like a good idea. No sense wasting voltage having a stand-off with a kid demented enough to start a rebellion. It's a feast for everyone's 'reptilian/inner/ancient brain' Tomato was talking about in the 'are you too friendly with the students' thread. Better that darn reptilian inner brain lies dormant, fed action movies periodically. |
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MixtecaMike

Joined: 24 Nov 2003 Location: 3rd Largest Train Station in Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| trevorcollins wrote: |
Kick them out.
If they say no, pick up their bags and toss them out.
Nine times out of ten they follow their stuff.
Lock the door behind them. |
Yes, do this. It shuts the others up a treat, too, then when they get past the shock that foreign teachers can use physical force as well as the Korean teachers they will often shame the malcreant into being better.
When he comes back be openly friendly before he has a chance to resent you, it restores his face a little and that often works getting them on your side. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: whatever
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Well....here's something I did in one of my public school classes that made me feel absolutely terrible and like a complete fucker...but it worked. If he says no give him ten seconds to change his mind and if he doesn't, then move him to the very front of the class in a chair so that he is facing the rest of the class. Then tell the rest of the students that for the remaining time in the class they will be writing lines and it's his/her fault, however, he/she won't have to write the lines. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| Well....here's something I did in one of my public school classes that made me feel absolutely terrible and like a complete *beep*...but it worked. If he says no give him ten seconds to change his mind and if he doesn't, then move him to the very front of the class in a chair so that he is facing the rest of the class. Then tell the rest of the students that for the remaining time in the class they will be writing lines and it's his/her fault, however, he/she won't have to write the lines. |
Ouch....haha......I bet someone got a kicking.  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I am wrong,
Wow..I love that one! Maybe I'll start using that on my kindergarten class.
I agree with Trevor and TJ, if they are being really bad I kick them out. They have a few chances, I put their name on the board and then checks. Once they have three checks they are out.
I do this with my preschoolers too. Damn it's funny. Some of them refuse to go out in the hall when I open the door and point. So, I pick them up and put them out there.
Here's the funny part, they sometimes they will start to cry. I look at them and say, "go ahead and cry, I don't care."
yes..I'm truely heartless... |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, i see your point.
have you tried positive reinforcement?
give out stickers to the ones who were well behaved that day, did their homework, etc.
or if you play a game, warn the bad apples that they will be excluded if they behave poorly.
or maybe, if you have a way to translate your problem to the homeroom teacher, she might be on your side, and something can be done from there. |
How about positive reinforcement for the teacher? When she does what you want, be nice to her and bring her fiber drinks... |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I am wrong,
Wow..I love that one! Maybe I'll start using that on my kindergarten class.
I agree with Trevor and TJ, if they are being really bad I kick them out. They have a few chances, I put their name on the board and then checks. Once they have three checks they are out.
I do this with my preschoolers too. Damn it's funny. Some of them refuse to go out in the hall when I open the door and point. So, I pick them up and put them out there.
Here's the funny part, they sometimes they will start to cry. I look at them and say, "go ahead and cry, I don't care."
yes..I'm truely heartless... |
Here's a hint: Look at them dead in the eyes and call them "Eggee? Eggee?" (Baby? Baby?).
They hate being called a baby in front of their fellow students.
My Korean coworkers did this to great effect with Kindy students. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Derrek,
I like that one as well. I often say to them, "If you act like a baby, I'll treat you like a baby." I know to a certain extend they understand me, at least my kindergarteners do. They know I won't put up with crap.
Just last week I made two of my students cry in one class period. God I hate it when they don't follow directions!
What really gets my goat is when they start hitting each other. I WON'T put up with it. My strategy there is take away what they want most. They always want to go play soccer. So I told them if I catch them hitting each other, no soccer for the rest of the month.
One of my classes has already lost that previlege for December. As far as I'm concerned it's tough luck. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Never confront a kid who defies you. It's a lose-lose situation.
Either leave the room and get some Korean authority-figure in to handle it, or, continue with the class and keep that student behind for punishment after class. Like a detention or a big homework. |
detention is good idea. but what happens if he doesnt stay behind he just leaves. or he has bongo to catch etc,. sk kids are busy..
in my opinion NEVER get a korean to handle your matters.. that is a sign of weakness.. the class will think she is a boss and you are nothing more than a puppet on the string.. deal with it yourself.. make them know you are a boss too.. my kids all know I am fair.. I am fun.. but dont CROSS me!! becuase I will throw you the *beep* out of my class...and if you dont move I will pick you up and slam you out!! so we have a great relationship. be good to me!! and I will be great to you!!
be bad to me.. and I will I make your hakwon experience a living nightmare!
a few kids have rocked the boat in the early days but once you lay down the law. they know you are not a joke as the last teacher was.. he might have put up with your BS but this guy wont. so they respect that and we all treat each other fair and just have fun.. no smart ass little pricks in my class allowed..!
they get sorted out real quick.. kids need to be trained. give them to much freedom and they will push it over the edge.
I dont know what they get away with in other hakwons. but they dont get to push me around.. they are 12 years old!! they dont push me around!
I dont care who is daddy or mommy is.. I am the master of my classroom! ME not that little kid who thinks he is gagman and doesnt have to listen to me.. I will joke with my kids all the time.. and have fun. we spend most of our 50 mins laughing and teasing each other..
but when it comes down to putting them in line I do.. so that also teaches them how far to go in my class towards others.. and in life..
dont call for help from korean teachers.. handle it yourself people..
and if a kid is just to much.. GET MIDDLE EVIL ON HIS ARSE!! hahahaha
just throw him out.. |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Use the power of a game. Find one game that the students love. It doesn't matter what game and it doesn't matter if it has instructional value at all. Get in the habit of playing a game for the last 5-10 minutes of every class. In the upper corner of the board you draw a game box with five lines in it (or however many is appropriate). Everytime a kid is a problem you erase one line from the box. When game time comes if there are any lines left you play game, if not you give them a writing assignment or something else equally as boring.
The other students in the class will take care of the discipline problems for you just because they want to play the silly game. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Never confront a kid who defies you. It's a lose-lose situation.
Either leave the room and get some Korean authority-figure in to handle it, or, continue with the class and keep that student behind for punishment after class. Like a detention or a big homework. |
detention is good idea. but what happens if he doesnt stay behind he just leaves. or he has bongo to catch etc,. sk kids are busy..
in my opinion NEVER get a korean to handle your matters.. that is a sign of weakness.. the class will think she is a boss and you are nothing more than a puppet on the string.. deal with it yourself.. make them know you are a boss too.. my kids all know I am fair.. I am fun.. but dont CROSS me!! becuase I will throw you the *beep* out of my class...and if you dont move I will pick you up and slam you out!! so we have a great relationship. be good to me!! and I will be great to you!!
be bad to me.. and I will I make your hakwon experience a living nightmare!
a few kids have rocked the boat in the early days but once you lay down the law. they know you are not a joke as the last teacher was.. he might have put up with your BS but this guy wont. so they respect that and we all treat each other fair and just have fun.. no smart ass little pricks in my class allowed..!
they get sorted out real quick.. kids need to be trained. give them to much freedom and they will push it over the edge.
I dont know what they get away with in other hakwons. but they dont get to push me around.. they are 12 years old!! they dont push me around!
I dont care who is daddy or mommy is.. I am the master of my classroom! ME not that little kid who thinks he is gagman and doesnt have to listen to me.. I will joke with my kids all the time.. and have fun. we spend most of our 50 mins laughing and teasing each other..
but when it comes down to putting them in line I do.. so that also teaches them how far to go in my class towards others.. and in life..
dont call for help from korean teachers.. handle it yourself people..
and if a kid is just to much.. GET MIDDLE EVIL ON HIS ARSE!! hahahaha
just throw him out.. |
Yeah I'guy. That can work if you've been granted free-licence to man-handle the kids by the hagwon. Most of us are told by no means use any rough tactics with the kids. If you're told to not be rough with the kids and then go ahead and hurt some kid you'll be out on your arse. The hagwon won't give you any support.
The Wonjeong in my first job 4 years ago said we could throw out kids ourselves and a few teachers (in-experienced guys here for the beer) took him at his word. Some bad stuff went on. Getting too mean with the kids.
I think it's just safer for the teacher to get the wonjeong in the room. I never have to. Just the threat of it makes them jump to attention. |
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Yangkho

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Location: Honam
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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in my opinion NEVER get a korean to handle your matters.. that is a sign of weakness.. the class will think she is a boss and you are nothing more than a puppet on the string.. deal with it yourself.. make them know you are a boss too.. my kids all know I am fair.. I am fun.. but dont CROSS me!! becuase I will throw you the *beep* out of my class...and if you dont move I will pick you up and slam you out!! so we have a great relationship. be good to me!! and I will be great to you!!
be bad to me.. and I will I make your hakwon experience a living nightmare!
a few kids have rocked the boat in the early days but once you lay down the law. they know you are not a joke as the last teacher was.. he might have put up with your BS but this guy wont. so they respect that and we all treat each other fair and just have fun.. no smart ass little pricks in my class allowed..!
they get sorted out real quick.. kids need to be trained. give them to much freedom and they will push it over the edge.
I dont know what they get away with in other hakwons. but they dont get to push me around.. they are 12 years old!! they dont push me around!
I dont care who is daddy or mommy is.. I am the master of my classroom! ME not that little kid who thinks he is gagman and doesnt have to listen to me.. I will joke with my kids all the time.. and have fun. we spend most of our 50 mins laughing and teasing each other..
but when it comes down to putting them in line I do.. so that also teaches them how far to go in my class towards others.. and in life..
dont call for help from korean teachers.. handle it yourself people..
and if a kid is just to much.. GET MIDDLE EVIL ON HIS ARSE!! hahahaha
just throw him out.. |
This actually made me feel better because I conduct my classes in a similar way. Afterwards I spend a lot of time feeling like the worst person in the world. My family is all real passive people, so it's difficult for me, but I'm learning.
Last contract, however, I was unlucky because my hagwon would not let us discipline students in any way. |
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