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Have you been sexually harassed here?
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
I have, however, seen white guys Harass Korean girls lots and it made me sick.


No, what you actually saw was consentual relationships between Korean women and western men, and that makes your Kyopo blood boil.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goddamn, just READING about it makes me seethe.

Someone gimme some morphine and restrain me before I hurt someone.. or myself!!

Ease up there Shaku .. :)

jae.
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to how women are viewed in this country, many Korean men still dwell in some dark age. Not long ago, there was a news item (and I can't track the source now, sorry) about a case that went to court here involving a young woman who was walking home late and alone. She happened to be wearing a miniskirt. Two drunken local yobs set upon her and raped her. They were apprehended. The judge ruled that she was 70% at fault, because she was dressed in a provocative manner. The yobs were assessed a token fine and were released, presumably to violate again. (I was personally disgusted at the outcome.) When this story was related to a Kyopo colleague, he agreed with the verdict. His words, approximately: "If she was walking alone at night in a miniskirt, she deserved it". If words like these express the attitude of a so-called educated individual who spent years in the US, one can only imagine the 'thinking' that occurs in the 'minds' of less gifted guys.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jaebae,

I can see how you and some other Kyopo might feel unfairly labeled by my statement, but unfortunately it is born of solid experience.

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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

osangrl wrote:

He also kept saying to me "im a rich man.... you may not be attracted to me... but my money will make you very happy"

This is the whole Korean male way of thinking. There is no need to develop your personality to attract women- because you can simply buy them, either at the socially acceptable barber shop, or get a wife simply by having lots of money with a well paying job.
The fact that women often seem to choose men based on their bank balance helps perpetuate this thinking.
In the west, men have to attract women by entertaining, being good conversationilsts, treating them respectfully, etc. Thats irrelevant here. Korean men simply buy women, in effect, or take them by force. Which is why your average ajosshi has the charm of a cockroach when it comes to the opposite sex.
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got hassled a couple of times in Korea, mostly during my first few months while I must have had that vulnerable newbie look going on... and just last week I was hassled while walking down a very busy and main street of Melbourne by some guy who'd just come out of a *peep show. So yeah, it happens everywhere yadda yadda yadda...

The main difference for me between the two is that in Korea I felt powerless (though not in a physical sense) ... last week when it happened, I called the cops Smile, something I felt unable to do in Korea - what would the cops do anyway even if I could speak decent enough Korean?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to excuse these creeps but before we label this as an "only in Korea" thing, I wonder about the experience of Asian women in American navy towns. As there is a class of Korean men who only know white women in the capacity of Russian prostitutes, there's surely a class of American military or ex-military who only know Asian women as bar ho's in ports of call. And I'm sure they treat them accordingly state side.
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:

In the west, men have to attract women by entertaining, being good conversationilsts, treating them respectfully, etc.


And having a massive bankroll has nothing to do with that? Puhlease. Women are women the same as anywhere, why do you think someone like Catherine Zeta Jones is married to a friggin' fossil?

Women want money, men want nookie. Women will settle for "comfortable" when it comes to money, and men will settle for "occassionally" when it comes to sex. Why the hell do you think men get married in the first place? It's because they get tired of the hunt. They realize they're not going to have an open menu anymore, but then again they won't have to hunt for their meals all the time. They figure "better to have a bologna sandwich every once in a while, and not really have to work for it".

That's what marriage is, two people trying to meet vastly different wants. Both sexes are whores, they just ho for different things.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad relationships in your past eh Hank? Now I see where that macho image you try and project comes from. Get over it, she dumped you, but it was probably for the best.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So tell me Hank, where do women who earn their own money and are only out for the sex fall into your woldview? Wink
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
So tell me Hank, where do women who earn their own money and are only out for the sex fall into your woldview? Wink


Money is a relative thing, no matter how much you have, more is always nice. And I'm not even saying it's a conscious decision, but to ignore that it's one of the drivers of women is to just be blind. Women are willing to overlook the fact that a man may be ugly, as long as he's seen to have prestigious career or is well off. And of course, this is relative to the woman.

Men on the other hand, don't care how much money a woman makes or what her career is. We're concentrated on appearance.

That's just how nature is. Women want to make sure they and their children are provided for, men want a woman who is physically attractive. Marriage is settling, and that's not right or wrong, it's just the truth. It's understanding that you're giving up some freedoms in exchange for some benefits, and the way that men and women weigh those benefits are completely different.

And don't even kid yourself that it's about how "compatible" you and your mate are. Were that the sole determinate you'd see a lot more same sex marriage because everyone would be getting hitched to their best friends.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
Women want money, men want nookie. Women will settle for "comfortable" when it comes to money, and men will settle for "occassionally" when it comes to sex. Why the hell do you think men get married in the first place? It's because they get tired of the hunt. They realize they're not going to have an open menu anymore, but then again they won't have to hunt for their meals all the time. They figure "better to have a bologna sandwich every once in a while, and not really have to work for it".

That's what marriage is, two people trying to meet vastly different wants. Both sexes are whores, they just ho for different things.


my husband and i are further evolved than those you describe. surely we're not alone?
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ody wrote:
my husband and i are further evolved than those you describe. surely we're not alone?


You ever notice how women are always the main voices crying out, "That's not how it is! Our love is true and strong! My husband is prince charming, and we live in a candy cane castle!"

That's why you're called the weaker sex: delusion. That's also why the greeting card business is a multi-billion dollar industry employing hack poets and cheesemeisters the world over; women really enjoy delusional fairytale BS.
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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in the end there is a strong tendency for women to go for a guy with money and guys to go for a woman with looks.

That being said, I also think that the world is a changin', call it genes catching up with overpopulation (that's what I call it). I think more and more people of both sex are becoming less concerned with the lifetime feasibility of their mates. They are looking for people with whom they can find compatibility for a time. So when a lot of women go out now it with the idea of looking for a good time (and not the kind you find scrawled on the bathroom door with a triple X). They are looking for people to have fun with, sleep with, and enjoy themselves with. And the same goes for men. In the end I think the concept of a happy marriage, stable job, and family, is becoming a rarer and rarer goal for people.

While people take it when it happens I don't think it is the driving force in humanity's mentality, which I can only hope will mean we will see a higher and higher drop in the birth rates.

--crossing my fingers for the future, d503
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
"That's not how it is! Our love is true and strong! My husband is prince charming, and we live in a candy cane castle!"


where did i mention love?
-or any of what you write?
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