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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: building a computer |
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I'm thinking about getting a new machine because 1 gigahertz just isn't cutting it anymore. I'm not even a rank amateur in hardware so I'm hoping that a some of you hardware jocks can set me on the right path.
What I want:
- a video card to support 2 (or more) monitors
- a good (not top of line, but decent) video capture/TV card
- a whole bunch of RAM
Are the PCIe boards up to snuff yet? If so, what board should I buy?
64 bit processor -- yes? no? which one? |
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JAMZ
Joined: 18 May 2004
Location: Ori Station, Bundang
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| im not really sure about this but i think if you wait till first quarter in 2005 you'll see alot of decent mobo's out with PCIe and price drops for the 64bit processors... thats kinda what im waiting for |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:35 am Post subject: |
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If you wait a bit...
VIA K8T890 Series chipset is a rocking AMD 64 solution, VIA DualGFX Express can provide enhanced single application performance with supporting graphics cards and enhanced multi-monitor support for multitasking without tying up vital system bandwidth.
Future goodness...
AMD3500+, ASUS board with the K8T890 chipset, a GB of RAM, SATA RAID 0 (160~200GB), and an ATI R520-based graphics card. Guesstimation: 2,100,000..more if you get high-quality RAM and bigger hard drives. Have to wait and see if they move to DDR2 for system memory....if so, this will crank it up a bit more.
All of this will arrive on the scene around Feb~March next year, as will the Nforce 4 chipset, which also looks quite exciting and mature.
However, there are dual display AGP cards all over, AMD 64 3200+ is a good deal, great AGP/DDR1 motherboards out there right now. Things are always changing, but the move to PCI express is worth waiting for. I am holding off until next summer, but then, my system isn't really lacking right now. PCI express is still in it's infancy....I wouldn't get into it just yet.
Wait if you can. If not, shop wisely for a system that will hold it's own for a few years.
Stay away from Prescott cores from Intel. Either go with a Northwood P4, or an AMD (939-pin). Northwoods are cheap right now, and the chipsets to support them are very mature and feature-rich.
Browse Danawa for a while and see what you think.
http://www.danawa.co.kr |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
If you wait a bit...
VIA K8T890 Series chipset is a rocking AMD 64 solution, VIA DualGFX Express can provide enhanced single application performance with supporting graphics cards and enhanced multi-monitor support for multitasking without tying up vital system bandwidth.
Future goodness...
AMD3500+, ASUS board with the K8T890 chipset, a GB of RAM, SATA RAID 0 (160~200GB), and an ATI R520-based graphics card. Guesstimation: 2,100,000..more if you get high-quality RAM and bigger hard drives. Have to wait and see if they move to DDR2 for system memory....if so, this will crank it up a bit more.
All of this will arrive on the scene around Feb~March next year, as will the Nforce 4 chipset, which also looks quite exciting and mature.
However, there are dual display AGP cards all over, AMD 64 3200+ is a good deal, great AGP/DDR1 motherboards out there right now. Things are always changing, but the move to PCI express is worth waiting for. I am holding off until next summer, but then, my system isn't really lacking right now. PCI express is still in it's infancy....I wouldn't get into it just yet.
Wait if you can. If not, shop wisely for a system that will hold it's own for a few years.
Stay away from Prescott cores from Intel. Either go with a Northwood P4, or an AMD (939-pin). Northwoods are cheap right now, and the chipsets to support them are very mature and feature-rich.
Browse Danawa for a while and see what you think.
http://www.danawa.co.kr |
Okay, you talked me into waiting. I'll just buy the new monitors first and get the computer later.
Do me a favor? Post when the goods are available and reasonable?
Thanks. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:00 am Post subject: |
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You know I will...  |
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chickenwhat
Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I just built my own system with a AMD 3000, it's fantastic. Got an ASUS motherboard and case, (the case sucks, really noisy, but the board is great). So yeah, forget intel.
about waiting, with computers there's always a new technology just around the corner. You can wait forever if you want the very best. But if you know what you need it for and the equioment is available now then just get it. Also, be aware of the "sweet spot" as regards pricing, the latest and best will also be much more expensive. Go down just a little in quality and the price will be much more reasonable. I think you could do it much cheaper than 2million and still get a great system. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Well, Intel do have some pretty cool tricks coming out from their sleeve soon enough....the giant isn't going to lie down quite yet. Dual-core CPUs and 64-bit desktop systems will be seen early (Q1, Q2) next year.
I would agree that tech isn't always worth waiting for, but what we are seeing now doesn't come but every 4 or 5 years. A major shift in the system bus architecture (PCI express), 64-bit implementation across the board (when the 2 biggies jump on, 64-bit computing will take off quickly, with software writers to be quick on the bandwagon), and last but not least, DDR2, which will come of age soon enough.
Yes, speed ramps aren't worth holding out for....they never end. However, now that Intel have stopped (or been stopped) the MHz race and we are finally seeing true progression (the dual core and 64-bit CPUs are really exciting news) instead of another inch of the line given to the consumers.
Certain kinds of old-school tech have virtually run their course, and now it's out with the old and in with the new. Anyone who has a system and can put up with it for another 6 months, I would strongly urge to do so. Even if the "bleeding edge tech, bleeding edge price" holds true, todays pricey rockets will be cheap.....that is, if you really don't want to drop a bit of money on a mchine that will last longer than previously.
Now that we are moviong into "feature" production, it will be much easier to hang on to a machine for longer, as certain 'givens' will be present in areas of computing that until now, were much less easier to pin down. A 2.6GHz 64-bit CPU with fast (and every day becoming cheaper) DDR2 and a 256MB (or SLI) PCI-e graphics card, a solid Nforce 4 mainboard, SATA RAID (which will also be much, much faster in Q1 2005), will hold a lot of water for a long time.
This is just my opinion....patience will be rewarded big time, this time.... |
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muggie2dammit
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Location: Ilsan, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
Yes, speed ramps aren't worth holding out for....they never end. However, now that Intel have stopped (or been stopped) the MHz race and we are finally seeing true progression (the dual core and 64-bit CPUs are really exciting news) instead of another inch of the line given to the consumers.
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AMD and IBM just jointly announced a new strained silicon on SOI idea. If it works, it is estimated to give up to another 24% speed without the normal associated problems. Sounds good to me!
Won;t be in this year, or even early next year unless we;re lucky, but it gives some hope for future speed increases as well as the neat new tricks they can pull with multi-core 64-bit CPUs.
Muggie2 |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| muggie2dammit wrote: |
AMD and IBM just jointly announced a new strained silicon on SOI idea. If it works, it is estimated to give up to another 24% speed without the normal associated problems. Sounds good to me!
Won;t be in this year, or even early next year unless we;re lucky, but it gives some hope for future speed increases as well as the neat new tricks they can pull with multi-core 64-bit CPUs.
Muggie2 |
Wow....no wonder geeks have a bad reputation.....we start throwing around words like "strained silicon", "SOI" (silicon on insulator) and now let me add one "low-k"....
Strained silicon : stretching silicon to allow easier flow of electrons.
http://www.research.ibm.com/resources/press/strainedsilicon/
SOI (dieletrics) : Basically replacing metal for integrated circuits with crystal silicon and silicon oxide. Lower power consumption and ease of flow result.
http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci551314,00.html
Low-k : Everything has a resistance to elecric flow. This is "kappa" or "k". Low k simply lowers this resistance through stretching or compressing silicon. Lower pwer consumtion, ease of flow result.
http://nepp.nasa.gov/index_nasa.cfm/934/ |
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