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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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 Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Just wanted to tell people to beware as Moonies and KICS have been around universities attempting to recruit people. For Pete's sake! Check out the links posted above for more information.
Cheers!
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| It makes me chuckle whenever I hear someone answer the question "Do you drink?" with "No, I'm Christian," as though the two HAD to be mutually exclusive of one another. |
It blows their mind when I tell them that I'm a beer drinking, cigar smoking (*quit smoking cigars for health reasons 3/10/04*) Baptist (quit going 2 church in Korea for reasons of health and sanity 3/20/04), who likes to play Irish traditional music in a gay & lesbian bar on alternate Sunday afts.
Harpeau
P.S. Hojucandy. we'll see you Sunday @4 at the soho, right? Bring your mandolin.  Drag the Zed out also, ok?
Edited 2 times by Harpeau for clarification, 6:49pm, Tuesday, May 18 2004. |
A post within a post.
I'll see what I can do. i'm sure I'm more reliable at showing up for beer and music than I am for hockey. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Zed wrote: |
| Harpeau wrote: |
| katydid wrote: |
| It makes me chuckle whenever I hear someone answer the question "Do you drink?" with "No, I'm Christian," as though the two HAD to be mutually exclusive of one another. |
It blows their mind when I tell them that I'm a beer drinking, cigar smoking (*quit smoking cigars for health reasons 3/10/04*) Baptist (quit going 2 church in Korea for reasons of health and sanity 3/20/04), who likes to play Irish traditional music in a gay & lesbian bar on alternate Sunday afts.
Harpeau
P.S. Hojucandy. we'll see you Sunday @4 at the soho, right? Bring your mandolin. Drag the Zed out also, ok?
Edited 2 times by Harpeau for clarification, 6:49pm, Tuesday, May 18 2004. |
A post within a post.
I'll see what I can do. i'm sure I'm more reliable at showing up for beer and music than I am for hockey. |
There is nothing wrong with a Christian smoking, drinking, playing Irish music, or going to a gay bar. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. Zed, let's play hockey!!
BTW, here's an update on KIS from someone:
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JMS Cult Update:
On Dec 22, The then President of KICS appeared on Arirang TV뭩 Heart to Heart to advertise the groups 밹ult봴ral activities. I gave Arirang TV an absolute bollocking over that one.
A few weeks later in Pohang City a female cult member who obviously displeased the cult was beaten to death by 6 fellow male cult members.
They have been arrested.
In Hawaii the Global Association of Culture & Peace (GACP) enjoys its status as a registered non-profit organisation.
In LA the UCLA branch just held a party with the rather bizarre theme of 밚eave the Earth behind Party, a rather disturbing theme considering the cult leader뭩 recent comments that he can understand why some of his followers would desire to 밻nd their lives early?in order to gain their heavenly reward sooner. Well there haven뭪 been any reports of a group suicide in Lakes Forest California, maybe it was just a rehearsal ala Jim Jones.
In Seoul the 뱖orship?centre that caters almost exclusively for foreigners is called the International Peace Church.
Its location just happens to coincide exactly with the address given as the offices of KICS, just a couple of hundred metres from Kyunggi University, right by Seodaemun Station. Another of their 밅hurches?is located right next to Ehwa University, actually most of their Churches seemed to be located right near where lots of attractive young females gather. Funny that.
The Church at Ch'angmyeong is almost entirely populated by Senior High School students, most of the girls of course. If you were a wanted rapist claiming to be God, would you have it any other way?
Luckily its real easy to know if you have inadvertently ended up attending a JMS cult service, the 밹hurch?will be invisible from the outside, it will be a room in a building with absolutely no outside signage advertising it뭩 presence at all, it ain뭪 easy to advertise when you are one of Korea뭩 most hated groups.
The other give away is sermons given by Video link, from a guy you can hear, but can뭪 see, despite the video screen present. The video usually displays an image of something nice and sweet, rolling hills, or a bunch of flowers. Occasionally they show the cult leader on TV, his followers get most excited at the prospect of seeing the Messiah. The chicks put on their best sexiest clothes. (That뭩 the way god likes it).
It really is a sight to behold.
If anyone would like to check them out for themselves contact me through my site.
http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com
Members are even encouraged to send him videos of themselves. You can be sure the young chick videos get looked at first.
Spring time is when they will be organising more events for foreigners (they told me that themselves, the great thing about talking to brainwashed people is that they are very very predictable)
The KICS site is currently off-line, but is was update last month and they boasted of having 1000 foreign members, it could be an exaggeration, but the photos of events they showed me were attended by lots of non-koreans. It was also nice to recognise many past acquaintances in those photos.
Things to be aware of, especially to those new to Korea.
KICS organises soccer tournaments across Korea, Korean language lessons, traditional drumming lessons, martial arts, the works.
It would be difficult to know at first if your soccer team, or language lessons are used to raise funds for the cult. If you are asked if you want to study the bible, and it turns out to be a 30 lesson bible course then bingo, The JMS cult has found you.
While it may be good for a laugh to hang out with brainwashed babes, bear in mind any money paid for the above KICS events goes straight to a guy who is wanted by Interpol in some 180 countries, a guy who is accused of and has fled from some very serious charges. Charges of rape and fraud and allegations of paedaphilia. And after living near the base of the cult for a very bizarre year I뭢 not only inclined to believe those allegations, but they could be merely the tip of an iceberg big enough to sink 1000 Titanics
The KICS site may be offline, but they are still 뱋ut there?and they are most definitely keen on ripping off and xxxxing with as many foreigners in Korea as they can.
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Salutations Captain ...
Your passion regarding this issue is applauded. My initial thoughts based on your first post & my viewing one of your links was that yes, the MOONIES were likely one of the driving forces behind this issue.
These ppl are indeed seriously mental. Working hand in hand with the North, the Reverend has been, among other things, implicated over the years in gun & drug running ( we could likely add human traficking to this list as well). Korea itself allegedly sports one of the highest per capita "cult" concentrations in the world.
Having said this, i too encourage anyone interested to work on becoming better informed re: their nefarious agenda  |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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I just spent 30 minutes reading some of those speeches by that cult leader. I don't think I've ever read anything as insane as that.
That guy is has churches populated by school kids? That should be a crime.
Whatever happened to the guy who started this thread by the way? Did the cult get him? Hope he's Ok. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Honeybee wrote: |
| Whatever happened to the guy who started this thread by the way? Did the cult get him? Hope he's Ok. |
He's still around, and he has his own regularly updated, in-depth and informative board which can be accessed here - False Messiah Buletin Board - should you desire cult updates or other information related to what was seen in this thread, or the original one on Pusanweb.
I'm going to say "I" here as I don't want people to think I'm speaking for the other mods or anyone else. I've made this a sticky here in the FAQ forum in agreement with the OP that if this group is in fact targeting foreigners, the posters on this board should be aware of it. And while I personally disagree with some of his tactics, I commend the OP for his dedication to his cause. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Well, as I always say, adhering to any form of organised religion is a form of mental illness, and this guy has down syndrome with severe autistic complications ... ( don't get the chance to say that very often these days, man that was satisfying! ) |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lemon wrote: |
I'm going to say "I" here as I don't want people to think I'm speaking for the other mods or anyone else. |
Why don't you want anyone to think you're are speaking for other mods?
Are you saying there are some mods who disagree that this information should be available here?
Considering the OP received a lifetime ban from this board for wanting to share such information, I think a clarification and explanation is warranted. |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Hi,
Just thought I'd share the experiences of a british guy whose English soccer club was evily infiltrated by cult members...
As part of the cults 2002 festivities the soccer club came to Kore to take part in the usual soccer games, cultural events and concerts.
Here are some of his memories of playing a concert at Wol Myong Dong, the home of the JMS cult. situated 40km south of Daejon, on the beautiful slopes of Mt Daedansan:
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We got there, and because we knew we would be playing, we were SO 'mad for
it'.. seeing 30,000 people pour into this park on the final night. Had it
been a secular music festival, the vibe would've been such a thrill..I could
discern a real spirit of evil which disturbed me greatly. I think the moment it hit home was about 30 minutes into one of Joshua Lee/Jong Myong Suk's epic speeches (which lasted 3 hours incidently... and it was a webcast
link-up... we know why he could'nt be in his motherland and he started
coming out with all kinds of illogical soundbites. i.e. "all political
systems which have ever been created are inherently evil" and "there needs
to be a new way for people of this age" etc.
Myself and other very cynical members of the football/soccer team I was with
fortunately were not sucked into his 'teachings' or brainwashed, instead we
were extremely wound up. Fortunately for the band we had the illusive
opportunity to channel that frustration into music.. After his speech, we
were coaxed onto the stage, and along with ALL the musicians from all of the
GACP groups were instructed to play the horrific Michael Jackson song 'We
are the world'. It was such a poor song, so unbelievably superficial and
shallow, and the band knew this.. to this day, myself and the other members
of the squad are amazed at how people could not have seen that this is a
blatant cult, and that 'music' was projected, very intentionally by the
organisers, to aid the brainwashing of Joshua Lee/Jong Myong Suk's
teachings. The tune was horrendous, but ensured that most of the people at
the gathering were intentionally 'monged out'.. However, after that song, I
was determined to try and get people to break out of this state, and for a
very brief nano second they did.. I went up to the microphone and
confidently asked the crowd: "DO YOU WANNA HEAR SOME BEATLES!!!" A huge
roar was created, as huge as when for example Babe Ruth hit his final home
run for the Yankees. However, a GACP 'bouncer' guy literally ran at me
shoved me off the mike to leave them to get on with 'mission: mountain
mong'.
The band came to the conclusion that because we had'nt been/had'nt allowed
ourselves to have been 'culted', the organisers of this, and the previous 2
night's events were hesitant in giving us too long a set - because of fear
of 'snatching away' people from the cult. We're convinced of this. Music is
a very powerful thing and can really hit somebody's soul, and I believe
that's one way in which things can happen, and situations change to a
certain degree - look at Live Aid! I think the people at the top of the tree
in GACP must know this, and implement it with a very powerful impact..
So we had great fun, a great story to take back home to our friends in the
UK, but also the hindsight that we'll never get involved in anything silly
like that again. |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Here are the experiences of a young North Korean refugee brought to the South by a JMS priest on the "condition" he join the cult. Nice priest:
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When we decided to come to South Korea, it was a priest (Korean) we asked for help��
The reason he had helped bring me to the South in the first place was because he wanted me to follow in his steps and become a priest just like him. His goal had been to use me as a missionary in an effort to spread the gospel to other North Koreans at the time of reunification. The priest didn��t know anything about the official government program for North Korans, and so I stayed in a country Church for one month, living essentially, in total ignorance of everything. This all took place in Geumsan, a small city that is famous for Ginseng
Actually, to be completely honest, I came to South Korea under false pretenses; I arrived here under someone else��s name on a Chinese tourist visa. When Chinese people turn 19, the government issues them with a certificate of residence that is similar to a copy of one��s family registry in Korea. In China, however there isn��t a picture attached to it, so I could forge a certificate quite easily. All I had to do was have the father call me ��son�� and the whole thing was done without much trouble. I put my picture on that person��s certificate and borrowed his name. That��s part of the reason that younger people can come to the South so easily with a Chinese tourist visa, and that is why I had to leave after only being in Geumsan for one month – I had to renew my visa
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The priest wanted me to switch my visa so that I would be an exchange student under his tutalge, but he found he couldn��t do that, because it turned out that Korea was having major problems with illegal Chinese migrant workers at the time. The South Korean Government started threatening the priest I was with saying that, if I wasn��t sent back to China, he himself would be denied entry to China in the future and possibly denied entry into other countries as well. The priest got confused and didn��t know what to do, so he called the National Intelligence Service (NHS) and told them he had a North Korean with him, not a Chinese boy. After a brief investigation, I was sent to Hanawon, the government-operated center to assist North Koreans in their readjustment to Korean society��
I ended up staying at Hanwon for exactly 3 months, after which I returned to Geumsan to see the priest once again. It was in Geumsan that I went back to a regular school for the first time in years��
At that time I was learning mostly with my priest. He was of the belief that Korean society had taken a wrong turn somewhere along the road and that Koreans were no longer in tune with the ways of the Bible. As a result, I spent all of my time with the priest and was unable to get out of the countryside.
The Priest told me that I had to pray alongside the Holy Spirit every morning before going to school because he was worried I would become too taken with capitalism and its destructive culture. So, I prayed alongside the Holy Spirit everyday at dawn and every evening upon returning home from school. I didn��t even go to an arcade, an Internet café, or a singing room one single time during that period in Geumsan.
I was eventually allowed a cell phone as a means of the priest checking up on me and knowing where I was at all times.
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His whole story is quite fascinating, Faces of Korea by Jim Harris, great book!! |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Doh!
The cult has just reopened their "recruit foreigners in Korea" webpage after a good six months offline
http://www.kics.net/
Language lessons, Martial Arts, Drama club soccer tournamnets, photography exhibits. If an invitation to attend something like that is later followed up with a 30 lesson Bible study invitation...please take some time to explore my site to make sure the fees you are paying aren't going to a guy wanted by Interpol in 180 countries on some rather serious charges.
The above link also by the way contains pics of the cult rural retreat near Daejon which the above two posts describe.
Not sure if I posted this already but you can see a SBS (Seoul Broadcasting Service) Doco on the cult and its leader here
http://www.antijms.or.kr/
Click on the second flashing "new: link dated 2002/ 11/ 12 SBS..
Its all in Korean, but the pics tell a million words.
Girls in darkened rooms protecting their identity I gather making rape allegations, the cult leader swimming and dancing with tons of his ladies and see him freak out at an airport confronted by the cameras.
If anyone would be willing to translate some or all of it into English,
Let me know, I'd be willing to pay for the service or at least enter negotiations
Please contact me at my site if you're interested
http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com
or [email protected] |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Just noticed the last 3 posts were all posted on the 16th of different months. Any cultic significance to that?  |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Just noticed the last 3 posts were all posted on the 16th of different months. Any cultic significance to that? |
Wow that is odd, actually I was born on the 16th,...maybe that has something to do with it?
Could it be a full moon thingy? Do those dates corrospond with full moons?
Thanks for making me aware of this matter, it had slipped my attention.
I will try and avoid making posts on the 16th from now on.
In fact I am willing to make a promise to all reading this and to the lovely team of Moderators here.
After today (Jan 16, which is really yesterday) I will never ever again post in this thread on the 16th of a month.
That is a sincere promise. If I ever break it, you can ban me! |
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Vanessa
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Wow! reading this has opened my eyes about Christianity in Korea. I'm a Christian, and I'll be in Korea next month, and I was hoping to get involved in a Church but from what I've been reading, what I know Christianity to be is not what it seems to be there. what's wrong with a Christian having a casual drink, as I read it Jesus turned water into wine.
It sure does suck when cults like that take away the real message of God to manipulate it for their own gain!!
Thank's for the insight. |
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