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What's the most advanced phone in Korea?
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: What's the most advanced phone in Korea? Reply with quote

Is there a phone in Korea yet that has an English internet web browser and PDA and camera and MP3?
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my female friends designs phones for SK and Samsung. I can ask and find out tomorrow. She bought a 5 megapixel phone the other day, but gets to pre-test the other phones before they're sold. She was working on a 7 megapixel last I knew.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand why the majority of people would ever need a 7 mega-pixel camera. When was the last time you saw an amateur photo blown up to the size where the difference would be noiceable?
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, the average person doesn't need above a 3 megapixel digicam, either.

It's all about sales.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever someone's boasting about how many mega-pixels their camera has, I like to ask them what size they have the pictures set at.
It's usually 1024x780 otherwise the pics fill up the card too quickly.

The equivalent of buying an SUV for the school run I s'pose.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are only marginally correct. Go buy a 2 megapixel camera and compare it to a 7 mega-pixel photo, even at a lower resolution. Print it and see more differences.

I just moved up to a Canon S70 (7.1 mega-pixel) from an S30 (3.1 MP) and I tell you the differences are huge, even at lower resolutions, it's very obvious which image is which. The cameras both use the same sensor, so that is ruled out as being responsible.

It's always the same with tech. Many people rage against it for various reasons, but at the end of the day, technology always improves. Always. There are just as many people in the know as there are folks in the dark about these issues, and although the Megapixel race is reminicent of the GHz race in CPUs, there are many quality improvements to be had with more pixels. There are, of course, limits to this theory and other factors at work besides just the number of pixels, but in general, a bigger sensor requires more pixels. Old sensors weren't fully utilizing the possibilities of the pixel range, and thus, as in my case, a higher pixel count means higher quality.

I am no photo-head either, but I can see these differences with side-byside photos of the same objects. I did this for the exact reasons you outlined, and now I see the reality. 7 is greater than 3.

Then again, to give some credit to your "most people are too dumb" theory, I do shoot on max size, in RAW format with a 1GB card.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:


I just moved up to a Canon S70 (7.1 mega-pixel) from an S30 (3.1 MP) and I tell you the differences are huge, even at lower resolutions, it's very obvious which image is which. The cameras both use the same sensor, so that is ruled out as being responsible.


And you're only marginally correct. It's the lens, not the megapixels you're noticing. The S70 has a very nice lens. Much, much better than the S30 for a variety of reasons, including sharpness and clarity. Processing is likely a bit better as well, since the S30 is an old camera now. It's definately faster.

I decided against the S70 because I also like to shoot large-size movies on occasion. A camera that expensive should, in my opinion, capture 640x480 movies at more than a mere 10 frames/second. Many people don't need that option, however.

It's probably good enough for you, though. I tend to be picky.

By the way, those of you who feel 7 megapixels are overkill, you can buy the S60 for $100 less. It's absolutely identical except for color, and shoots up to 5 megapixels.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:

And you're only marginally correct. It's the lens, not the megapixels you're noticing. The S70 has a very nice lens. Much, much better than the S30 for a variety of reasons, including sharpness and clarity. Processing is likely a bit better as well, since the S30 is an old camera now. It's definately faster.

I decided against the S70 because I also like to shoot large-size movies on occasion. A camera that expensive should, in my opinion, capture 640x480 movies at more than a mere 10 frames/second. Many people don't need that option, however.

It's probably good enough for you, though. I tend to be picky.



Yeah, well I use my Mini DV for movies, so the movie option wasn't important at all. It's odd to buy a still camera for movies, but I guess it's good enough for you. I tend to be picky.

It was a gift, so it's not like I really had to think about it anyways.

So, the new lens on the S30 would produce the same images?! Hehe....ok then.
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hojucandy



Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Location: In a better place

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:32 am    Post subject: 923 Reply with quote

cameraphones, even the megapixel ones, all have shyte lenses, and very slow responding optical systems.. they are purely gimmicks.

i'd love one though!
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Derrek wrote:

And you're only marginally correct. It's the lens, not the megapixels you're noticing. The S70 has a very nice lens. Much, much better than the S30 for a variety of reasons, including sharpness and clarity. Processing is likely a bit better as well, since the S30 is an old camera now. It's definately faster.

I decided against the S70 because I also like to shoot large-size movies on occasion. A camera that expensive should, in my opinion, capture 640x480 movies at more than a mere 10 frames/second. Many people don't need that option, however.

It's probably good enough for you, though. I tend to be picky.



Yeah, well I use my Mini DV for movies, so the movie option wasn't important at all. It's odd to buy a still camera for movies, but I guess it's good enough for you. I tend to be picky.

It was a gift, so it's not like I really had to think about it anyways.

So, the new lens on the S30 would produce the same images?! Hehe....ok then.


S30 lens/images? What are you talking about here? I think you missed my point.

As for your mini-DV.... sorry, I have been shooting video for 12 years on everything from 3/4" to Beta to Beta SP, Digital Beta SX, DV, and mini-DV.

Past the consumer stuff, I doubt you'd begin to know where to be picky.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Past the consumer stuff, I doubt you'd begin to know where to be picky.

"Geek Fight! Geek fight!"
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, here's a peek at the newest Samsung phone, which my friend, who designed it, now carries. She said they aren't for sale just yet, but will cost more than a whopping 1 million won. I think there are display models in stores though. It's a 5 megapixel and slides open. I told her it looks big like a TV remote when it opens. You're only seeing half of the screen until it opens up. Very bright and nice resolution on the screen.

The camera sensor is not CMOS, like other handphones are. It has a sensor like what you'll find in a digital camera. Also plays music and you can put memory cards in, etc. Lots of other features I'm sure she failed to mention.

I believe she said the model number is something like SCH-250. Not my style of phone, but interesting.

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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been disappointed with the finished results of my Canon Mini-DV camcorder.

When burned onto DVD-R the image is grainy and movement has a significant pixelation effect.

I remember getting more 'natural' images with my old VHS camcorder!

Maybe I'm not doing it right but I think I'm doing all the orthodox steps for producing digital video.

Also, I remember my VHS camcorder dealing with light and shadow differences better than my Mini-DV.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:

S30 lens/images? What are you talking about here? I think you missed my point.

As for your mini-DV.... sorry, I have been shooting video for 12 years on everything from 3/4" to Beta to Beta SP, Digital Beta SX, DV, and mini-DV.

Past the consumer stuff, I doubt you'd begin to know where to be picky.



Derrek, you were talking about the lens being responsible for the improved quality on the S70 over the S30, discounting the megapixels. I said that by your reasoning, if the new lens from the S70 were put on to the S30, the photos would then look the same.

Pretty hard to miss such a simple point. Pretty easy to see that this wouldn't be true.

As for video work....who cares? I never said that I was a pro or even an amateur, I just said that when I buy a digital still camera, I don't care about it's movie function, because I have a video camera for that.

I did imply that shooting movies on a still camera, and basing a buying decision on that is unusual, as they make separate devices for each task.

Makes as much sense to me as basing your cell phone decision on the quality of the included MP3 player. Or camera. Or wireless sevice. Just gimmicks right now. Hokey, low-quality gimmicks. CMOS or CCD....just goofy. In a number of years, the integration will come around, but it's not there yet.

That is one ugly looking device.

As for the picture you provided, did you use your camera for that? A poorly exposed, high-ISO flash shot?

Anyways, the phone looks like a 5 year-old model....big and clunky. I guess that's the price of integration....size and forgotten aethetics.

Here is a real photo of it:

http://www.threegmobile.net/gallery0410/01_samsungschs250/01.jpg

Specs: http://www.threegmobile.net/main/index.php?lang=ENG&option=news_detail&nid=492

Ring ring!
Hello?
Hi there!
Oh, can you hang on? I'm taking a picture......*bink* Whoops! Oh man! My picture didn't work 'cause of that call!!
(Friend calls back)
Ring ring!
Hello?
Hi! You hung up on me!
Yeah....sorry...the functions are all messed up...your call spoiled my great photo....can't use my phone as a phone anymore or my camera as a camera. Can I call you back again...I'm on the net right now.
Huh? Well...forget it....call me when you get a telephone....
No, I'll send you an e-mail...a short one, 'cause this little keypad sucks...
Whatever.....


Has no one else though it odd to merge a phone with a camera in the first place? Talk about sucker consumers....next up, the TV with MP3 functionality....or the fridge with a TV screen.....ridiculous.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Derrek wrote:

S30 lens/images? What are you talking about here? I think you missed my point.

As for your mini-DV.... sorry, I have been shooting video for 12 years on everything from 3/4" to Beta to Beta SP, Digital Beta SX, DV, and mini-DV.

Past the consumer stuff, I doubt you'd begin to know where to be picky.



Derrek, you were talking about the lens being responsible for the improved quality on the S70 over the S30, discounting the megapixels. I said that by your reasoning, if the new lens from the S70 were put on to the S30, the photos would then look the same.

Pretty hard to miss such a simple point. Pretty easy to see that this wouldn't be true.

As for video work....who cares? I never said that I was a pro or even an amateur, I just said that when I buy a digital still camera, I don't care about it's movie function, because I have a video camera for that.

I did imply that shooting movies on a still camera, and basing a buying decision on that is unusual, as they make separate devices for each task.

Makes as much sense to me as basing your cell phone decision on the quality of the included MP3 player. Or camera. Or wireless sevice. Just gimmicks right now. Hokey, low-quality gimmicks. CMOS or CCD....just goofy. In a number of years, the integration will come around, but it's not there yet.

That is one ugly looking device.

As for the picture you provided, did you use your camera for that? A poorly exposed, high-ISO flash shot?

Anyways, the phone looks like a 5 year-old model....big and clunky. I guess that's the price of integration....size and forgotten aethetics.

Here is a real photo of it:

http://www.threegmobile.net/gallery0410/01_samsungschs250/01.jpg

Specs: http://www.threegmobile.net/main/index.php?lang=ENG&option=news_detail&nid=492

Ring ring!
Hello?
Hi there!
Oh, can you hang on? I'm taking a picture......*bink* Whoops! Oh man! My picture didn't work 'cause of that call!!
(Friend calls back)
Ring ring!
Hello?
Hi! You hung up on me!
Yeah....sorry...the functions are all messed up...your call spoiled my great photo....can't use my phone as a phone anymore or my camera as a camera. Can I call you back again...I'm on the net right now.
Huh? Well...forget it....call me when you get a telephone....
No, I'll send you an e-mail...a short one, 'cause this little keypad sucks...
Whatever.....


Has no one else though it odd to merge a phone with a camera in the first place? Talk about sucker consumers....next up, the TV with MP3 functionality....or the fridge with a TV screen.....ridiculous.



Oh, Dumbophobe, you're trying to redeem yourself by putting words into my mouth that I never said, then saying I'm wrong for saying them.

You're starting to sound like Blind Willy with the desperation of Lemon.

Trust me when I say that most of the improved image quality of your camera is due to the newer lens. Having more megapixels helps, but your lens is why you notice a lot of improvement.

Here's a site that might help you do some comparisons of pics taken in the same situations with many different cameras:

www.steves-digicams.com
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