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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:24 am    Post subject: Did I go to far? Reply with quote

I had an interesting situation arise today. This was my second to last day at my job. I teach one elementry class in the late afternoon. Most of the students are pretty unruly, but one of them is really bad.

This kids behavior is so out there it's just rediculous. He punches other students and has even punched me. He's told me to f off as well. I've punished him, talked to the director about him. We all agree he's a little b@st@rd.

Today, since it was my last day, we played a game. I told them as long as they behaved, we would continue playing. Tony kept acting up and I finally warned him one more time and he'd be out in the hall by himself while we finshed playing the game.

One of the other students said something to him (in Korean of course) and he went over and kicked the kid in the head and then sat down.

I went over and grabbed him by his coat and dragged him to the door. Then I pulled on his ear and said, "Do we kick or hit people?" Then I opened the door, picked him up by his jacket and slid him out into the hall.

After that I went back in the room and we really only had a few minutes left. I put the game away and released my class. Then I walked out in the hall and told him to follow me. I took him to the teacher's room and told him to sit down. I went and got my director and told her that this kid should be expelled from the school and that he kicked another student in the head.
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad I haven't had to deal with that kind of crap this year. reading stories about little brats makes me convinced not to accept any jobs teaching them. Thanks.

No, I don't think you went too far.
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Yangkho



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Honam

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I don't think you went too far.

However, sometimes, in a hagwon situation (such as the one I was in last year), such a thing is unacceptable because you might lose business, be it just one student--or several if the kid's mother holds sway among the other parents.

It all depends on your boss. If you have his or her support on this, you're all set.
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It never seems to occur to them that they will lose even more students by keeping shit-disturbers in the hagwon.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all, he should be expelled. If you asked the kids they'd probably all say they can't stand him. Kind of kid who thrives on negative attention so much it would just be perpetual madness with him around. Some kids need shrinks.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shrinks, unfortunately, are far from widely available to kids who need them here. Untrained homeroom teachers do their best, but often come up short. Its a national embarrassment. If you can make any small difference as an occasional mentor, by all means go for it.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a tactic... What ever he does, do it back with "Super Adult Waygook Strength Power Attack." It really works well if you say "Power Attack" Shocked when you do it. It is embarrasing and painful, and the lesson is learned quickly.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody at our haggie is bad as 'kick in the head deliveryboy'. Brian is an acter-upper, 12, but not violent. Cobra is goofy as heck and very smart. Those acter-uppers I get sitting up front near me. What they crave is attention, so they like being near teacherer. It's easier than going hoarse and then lunging in a 'super power wagegook teacher attack'. But if one has already sewn the cape and jersey, has the boots, then bravo. Mine's at the cleaners since a kid countered my board marker with an hidden, contraband indelible pen.
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Kim Jong Jordan



Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Location: The Internet

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zed wrote:
It never seems to occur to them that they will lose even more students by keeping *beep*-disturbers in the hagwon.


Exactly. I had a similar situation with a student who was completely and utterly defiant in every respect. Other students in my class complained to me constantly and I relayed this to my superiors, but to no avail. After a particularly ridiculous and outlandish incident of disruption, I put her bag in the hall and politely told her that if she didn't want to come to school and learn English then she has no right to waste anyone elses time (she is actually a good speaker). She left and my boss wanted me to apologize to her. I refused and mentioned how other students were complaining, but he still insisted that I apoligize. It was only when the co-manager of the hagwan, who is also the Korean teacher for this class, stated similar complaints, that my views were taken seriously. The parents even came into the school 3 times to complain. I was ultimately right but man, what a hassle.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you would think the boss would be afraid of other parents pulling thier kids out of a hogwan that allows them to be beaten Exclamation

perhaps if you phrased it that way to him he might understand.

kudos for protecting your students