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matesol
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Sorry man but that laptop is terrible....not worth the money. ATI7000, Celeron, 30GB Hard drive....sheesh....a very lame duck for $900....
You could get a better deal on a used one. |
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matesol
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well it's a 60 gig HDD for starters, and it is 2.8 GHz CPU. I saw a 1.6 GHz laptop at a department store and they wanted 2.6 million for it. Department stores are overpriced of course.
Here's an interesting article:
"What Intel plays down-- but nearly everyone knows-- is that the full-speed, quarter-size Celeron cache gives them almost the same performance as the half-speed, full-size cache gives Pentiums. Thus you'll find that, for most applications, Celerons rated at the same MHz will equal or better an equivalent Pentium-II, for a much lower price.
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http://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpufaqs/sep99c.htm
Anyone know of any online sites in Korea, as per my original question ?
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| matesol wrote: |
well it's a 60 gig HDD for starters, and it is 2.8 GHz CPU. I saw a 1.6 GHz laptop at a department store and they wanted 2.6 million for it. Department stores are overpriced of course.
Anyone know of any online sites in Korea, as per my original question ? |
I'd take a Centrino 1.6 over a Celeron 2.8 any day of the week. Comparing the two on straight speeds is about the same as comparing an Athlon 64 2.0 GHz to a P4 3.2GHz. They're apples and oranges. Or in the original case, apples and raisins.
Online sites? http://www.danawa.co.kr for all your computing needs in Korea.
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| matesol wrote: |
well it's a 60 gig HDD for starters, and it is 2.8 GHz CPU. I saw a 1.6 GHz laptop at a department store and they wanted 2.6 million for it. Department stores are overpriced of course.
Here's an interesting article:
"What Intel plays down-- but nearly everyone knows-- is that the full-speed, quarter-size Celeron cache gives them almost the same performance as the half-speed, full-size cache gives Pentiums. Thus you'll find that, for most applications, Celerons rated at the same MHz will equal or better an equivalent Pentium-II, for a much lower price.
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http://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpufaqs/sep99c.htm
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OOOOoooo...the same perfomance as a Pentum 2....scary. Doesn't this tell you how old the article is?
 September 1999!!! Light years in computing.
There was a time when the celeron was attractive, but those days are gone. It's a very weak CPU.
Also, it will drain a battery in no time...no speed stepping or power-saving implementations as per what kprrok said, the Centrino. Unless it's a Celeron-M, but it's not. (whatever...the celeron M lacks "speedstep" anyways) Actually, there is no such CPU as a "Centrino". They are either Pentium M or Celeron M, but I guess that's just splitting hairs...
Anyways, if you think it's a good deal, then cool. It won't game at all (sharing the miniscule 256MB of system memory for video), so basically it's a word-processor/DVD/internet machine, and I still insist that you would save money and get a better machine in the used department. It's your money....the price is attractive for a reason. Also, with shared video memory, it may have trouble with DVD quality playback. I don't know about this for sure, but shared video memory is very undesireable.
Buying a laptop in Korea is very comparable to the west. They are all destined to become paper-weights until they become upgradeable in a few areas....thus, in my mind, not practical. Then again, I don't NEED mobility, nor am I rich.
Bottom line: It's not a good deal.
Danawa is the go for computer stuff, though they don't work like Amazon or Ebay....you can't just type in your credit card number and address and then sit and wait. Usually, one must call them, order what you want, then trip down to the bank to deposit the cash into their account, the number for which will be given on the phone. The delivery is within 1~2 days, depending on where you are. If you are in Seoul, it will be same day. |
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matesol
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Well, what I was looking for was a good word processor that could run Windows XP and Office. I have a computer tower at home with a Radeon 9800 XT graphics card and a Audigy 24 bit sound card and 1.25 gigs of RAM. I don't have time for games, but I really like MS Flight Simulator 2004, which runs great on my tower, which I can and have tinkered with. However, I am doing an online science course now and I make flashcards, notes, etc. But I get tired of sitting in my computer room. It makes me feel like a hermit. With my notebook, I can sit on the sofa, take my laptop around, etc. I have an dinosaur toshiba computer which still works, great.
I've been in Korea since Dec 96. I remember, when you had to pay 28% import tax on computers and desktop computers cost 3 million won, mostly due to protectionism. The IMF (in the English, not konglishey sense of the word) made them change the rules. So now they charge you less duty, but they include the cost of shipping in the total that they tax. This is, in my view, just one of the ways they are "thumbing their nose" at International Monetary Fund. This is especially frustrating when I want to buy something that is not available in Korea. (Remington invented the electric razor. It's my money. I want to buy a REMINTON, not Braun!) American cars are still not that common here while Korean companies continue to sell Korean cars all over the world, etc. As much as I can avoid it, I don't buy high ticket items in Korea. And for all those Korean apologists, no I won't feel guilty about making money in Korea. Asians in general have been making money in my country since the 1800's thank you very much. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| matesol wrote: |
Well, what I was looking for was a good word processor that could run Windows XP and Office. I have a computer tower at home with a Radeon 9800 XT graphics card and a Audigy 24 bit sound card and 1.25 gigs of RAM. I don't have time for games, but I really like MS Flight Simulator 2004, which runs great on my tower, which I can and have tinkered with. However, I am doing an online science course now and I make flashcards, notes, etc. But I get tired of sitting in my computer room. It makes me feel like a hermit. With my notebook, I can sit on the sofa, take my laptop around, etc. I have an dinosaur toshiba computer which still works, great.
I've been in Korea since Dec 96. I remember, when you had to pay 28% import tax on computers and desktop computers cost 3 million won, mostly due to protectionism. The IMF (in the English, not konglishey sense of the word) made them change the rules. So now they charge you less duty, but they include the cost of shipping in the total that they tax. This is, in my view, just one of the ways they are "thumbing their nose" at International Monetary Fund. This is especially frustrating when I want to buy something that is not available in Korea. (Remington invented the electric razor. It's my money. I want to buy a REMINTON, not Braun!) American cars are still not that common here while Korean companies continue to sell Korean cars all over the world, etc. As much as I can avoid it, I don't buy high ticket items in Korea. And for all those Korean apologists, no I won't feel guilty about making money in Korea. Asians in general have been making money in my country since the 1800's thank you very much. |
Well, that's all well and good, but why then wouldn't you think about buying used? You could avoid all of those nastys you speak of and still get a nice system.
Used newspapers have many a good used laptop for sale. Having been in Korea for so long, I assume you are good enough in Korean to read the paper and make the calls. So, there's no real obstacle, and the laptops in said papers are usually underpriced, especially the modest machine you are seeking. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Laptop retailer online ? |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Laptop retailer online ? |
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Laptops are expensive in Korea and, if you don't want a Korean keyboard, Korean Windows, Korean documentation and a Korean warranty, they're configured wrong. 
The performance difference between a Celeron M and a Pentium M is negligible. The Pentium M draws less current sleeping so it's battery life is a little longer:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040309/
If you're using the laptop for internet access, word processing and watching DVDs (like me) then I think you'll be pleased with an inexpensive Celeron M-based laptop. I am. I bought one online and had a family member in the U.S. re-ship it to my school. I didn't pay a nickel of duty. 
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