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Stay in Korea, or flee to Japan?
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, I see no reason for Gord and Matko to have a pissing match over who saved more money


I agree

Captain Pot head turned it into one. My original post was to clarify that it was not outrageously expensive to live in Japan and that you could save alot of money. I don't care how much people have in their bank accounts. That's not my business. However, when I see people post stuff that is untrue I respond.

Why Captain Gordo responded the way he did is unclear to me. Must be some inbred inferiority complex Rolling Eyes

Canadian Teacher asked me "Why do you post on this forum if you live in the land of milk and honey"?

Well,do you post on the Japan forum? After living there for 3 years, do you have absolutely no interest in what is going on here? Why do you think I have no reason to post here? Is this some kind of exclusive club where only people who are currently living in Korea can post? Please give me a list of acceptable and unnacceptable posters. I am very curious to hear your ideas because you OBVIOUSLY know who should and should not post.

Rolling Eyes
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matko wrote:
Captain Pot head turned it into one. My original post was to clarify that it was not outrageously expensive to live in Japan and that you could save alot of money. I don't care how much people have in their bank accounts. That's not my business. However, when I see people post stuff that is untrue I respond.

Why Captain Gordo responded the way he did is unclear to me. Must be some inbred inferiority complex Rolling Eyes


Your original respose was that Japan was not outrageously expensive to live in. That's just a complete lie. Everything costs more, with noodles being marginally more to taxis been multiple times more. Even music CDs are three times the cost. It is, in no uncertain terms, the most expensive country in the world to live in. At the same time, people get paid less.

Can one make money in Japan? Well, yes, of course. Can they make money as easily while having the same standard of living as they would in Korea? Unlikely.

Plus your post was condascending and suggestive that anyone who agreed with the idea Japan has a higher cost of living was just retarded.

Fact: Japan costs more it pays less than Korea on average. End of story. That doesn't mean one can't make money, but comes down to how much one is willing to sacrifice in order to save that money.

You decided to sit at home and rarely go out in order to save money when the subject at hand was talking about the cost of going out and doing things and still being able to save money.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a great life and save alot of money.

Why can't you accept that?

When did I use The word "retarded" When did I ever say that the cost of living was higher in korea?

I rarely stay home and do nothing. When was that the subject at hand?

What are you talking about?

Oh, I forgot, this is Captain oblivious talking Rolling Eyes


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Squaffy



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian Teacher: so you didn't work for NOVA or GEOS - bet you were a GABA muppet then - it's no use putting your hand in the air like a little school kid saying 'sir - squaffy called me a bad name' - the mods do their job quite well without you calling their attention to it.

Both you and orpheousdown need to resize your avatars for starters...

...dare I go on...
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

music CDs are three times the cost??? Uh, well I admit I haven't spent much time in Japan (a whopping 6 hours or so) but I did go to a Tower Records in that short time and the prices weren't even twice as expensive (albeit close to that: 200 yen or so). Your basic udong (or whatever they call it in Japanese) dish was only a bit more pricey than what you'd pay here in Korea.

Not to be anal or anything, but making blatant exagerations does not help one's arguement. And I certainly agree that it is much easier to save money in Korea than in Japan- at least for a new arrival.
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rush



Joined: 17 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have lived in Japan on and off for the last 3 years... the average sallary
is about 280 thousand yen a month. Rent is about 60 thousand... so
providing that your not eating at Restaurants every night you can easily
save 1000 US a month, and go out on Fri and Sat and have a drink
with the boys and generally have a good time.... trust me on that one
cause I certainly had no regrets going there....
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matko wrote:
I have a great life and save alot of money.

Why can't you accept that?


This has gone way off track and you're viewing this as some sort of Gord vs. Matko debate. Let's scroll all the way back to the start of the thread.

willgreen wrote:
Please list reasons to stay.
Or reason why Japan might be better


Exactly. That's all the subject matter at hand is. If Will packs up and heads to Japan he'll have a higher cost of living and be paid less money. Those are major considerations when thinking about going from Korea to Japan.

No one cares about how much money you make in Japan, and no one cares that I make more money than you. Will just wants information that will affect his decision, which is why the whole "cost of living" came up. Choosing to work in Japan means making less money than working in Korea, and that's all that matters in regards to the thread subject.
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Squaffy



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the main point should be 'spending alot' to get yourself settled in a nice home - if you can splash out and do it, Japan is perfect. Forget the commercial schools - there are some very good teaching gigs to be had in Japan - and pvts are legal. Friend of mine is in Hiroshima and loving every minute of it.

Am sure Matko will vouch for that.

Gord: Higher cost of living if based in a Japanese city - yes, for sure - Tokyo sucks big style there - out in the beautiful country, different story.


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Gord



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
music CDs are three times the cost??? Uh, well I admit I haven't spent much time in Japan (a whopping 6 hours or so) but I did go to a Tower Records in that short time and the prices weren't even twice as expensive (albeit close to that: 200 yen or so). ...

Not to be anal or anything, but making blatant exagerations does not help one's arguement. .


Let's back that up.

Korea, I buy a CD a week. Cost between 9,000 Won and 11,000 Won depnding on the CD.

Japan, I usually shop for them online via Amazon.co.jp. Cost: 2300 Yen to 3000 Yen for most CDs, with some that I balked on costing as much as 4000 Yen. But now I just forward my requests to a friend who picks them up at a used CD store for less as paying 3000 Yen for a music CD makes me sad.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord,

When did I say anything otherwise Confused

Korea is better for first time teachers. Japan is expensive to start out in.

I recomend Korea for first time teachers if money is all you are concerned about.

Again, I just don't like to hear from uninformed people that Japan is not an option because you can't save money. You can!!

That's all.
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matko



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord,

Average price of an import cd is 1,900 yen

Average price of a domestic Japanese cd is 2,500 yen
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