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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: Exit orders and blacklists |
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So. I've found myself in a bit of a pickle.
I had a blow out at my school in the last few days. They wanted me to work past the date on my ARC card but didn't make any arrangements. I didn't want to work for them anymore and I'm now out of the country.
My school is highly decpetive and still owes me money. They are claiming that I didn't finish my contract. I was in negotiation with the school up until the 21st, when they changed their tune and cut off communication. I recieved my blue paper for my new job, which was issued on the 20th. I suspect they have waited until my paperwork has cleared and have now filed a grievence against me. I've asked a korean friend to call up immigration and find out my status, but that hasn't turned anything up yet. I'm supposed to show up for work at the end of February.
So. Here are my questions.
- When you are issued new E2 paperwork, does immigration tell your old school?
- What happens if I show up at Incheon and I'm given an exit order?
- What happens If I have an onward ticket out of the country as a back up?
- My stuff's in Korea. Will I get a chance to collect it?
- What would you do? |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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You worked until your visa ended, yes? In a sane world, you'd be fine. They wanted you to renew, but you didn't- sucks to be them. Sadly, this is Korea. 
Maybe someone at EFL law could help? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| How did you communicate? Via email? Then save all the emails you received from them and go to the labour board or something. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Exit orders and blacklists |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
- When you are issued new E2 paperwork, does immigration tell your old school?
- What happens if I show up at Incheon and I'm given an exit order?
- What happens If I have an onward ticket out of the country as a back up?
- My stuff's in Korea. Will I get a chance to collect it?
- What would you do? |
they do not tell the old school.
if you are given an exit order, you will have 14 days to exit the country.
yes, you can get your stuff.
do you have a hard copy of proof that they owe you? bank account, receipts? take 'em to the labor board, along with your old contract, when you get here. they have more power to get your lost wages, but they have much less power when it comes to your severance, especially if your old school had less than 5 employees.
you may have to go to court for severance, if it's worth it to you. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| How did you communicate? Via email? Then save all the emails you received from them and go to the labour board or something. |
His modus operandi is to play good cop on the phone, bad cop via email, and vague/misleading things in print. He hasn't really said anything I could hold against him in court. He's American BTW.
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You worked until your visa ended, yes? In a sane world, you'd be fine. They wanted you to renew, but you didn't- sucks to be them. Sadly, this is Korea.
Maybe someone at EFL law could help? |
This is where I admit I'm a dumbass again. The contract I signed had no dates on it. My ARC expired mid week, I said I'd work to the end of the week, and then changed my mind. He was out of country, so no real visa extension was possible. Immigration said there was no way I could work past the date on my ARC.
Right now I'm afraid of two things. One is that they have some sort of hearing with immigration, with no input from me, and determine I can't return. Two is that I let down my future employer on short notice. The money isn't even a big deal right now.
And yes, I've been in touch with EFL law and the local Korean embassy.
Incidently, I've been reading on EFL law that it can in the school's interest to label you as a midnight runner for insurance purposes.
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they do not tell the old school.
if you are given an exit order, you will have 14 days to exit the country.
yes, you can get your stuff.
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That sounds like good news at least. How do you know this? Do you have a link to an official site? Do the 14 days count if you are entering the country or already in the country? How do you know they don't tell your old school? |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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one other thing, tho... if the old school has filed a grievance, it could affect your ability to obtain a new teaching visa.
the exit order counts down from the day they notify you. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: |
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one other thing, tho... if the old school has filed a grievance, it could affect your ability to obtain a new teaching visa.
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I've got the visa. But it states on the embassy webpage that having a visa does not guarantee entry. That's the part that worries me.
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| the exit order counts down from the day they notify you. |
I'm hoping that means at the airport then.
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| Do you have a gf or a female friend who could help you out? Tell him in private that you will get a female friend to lay bogus charges of attempted rape or assault on him. |
I appreciate the sentiment, somewhat, but I'm not going to put a friend through that. Dude, I want to come back and work.
Besides, after that whole gang rape thing in Ulsan, it might not mean anything. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Exit orders and blacklists |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
My school is highly decpetive and still owes me money. ? |
A school that operates on that side of the law isn't going to suddenly poke it's head up and take a legal route about something, and risk attracting attention to itself. And especially if they owe you cash. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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No matter what your contract says, you were granted 1 year on your Visa -- or at least until a certain date.
No action was taken to renew it in time.
Their damn fault.
You've got another blue paper elsewhere.
Get your new visa and go to work there.
Go to the Labor Board and file papers. I'd be a headstrong ass to the old school, tell them politely that I'd be happy to discuss it with the Labor Board.
You'll win. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Exit orders and blacklists |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
My school is highly decpetive and still owes me money. ? |
A school that operates on that side of the law isn't going to suddenly poke it's head up and take a legal route about something, and risk attracting attention to itself. And especially if they owe you cash. I wouldn't worry about it. |
The school consistantly operates on the "right" side of the law. They always pay on time, they don't do anything outside the contract.
He's misleading in that he promises you one thing and then delivers another in writing. He'll say wonderful things to you on the phone. When any kind of conflict comes up, he wanders off and has his Korean wife play the bad cop.
They know what they're doing and that's why i'm worried. |
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davyteacher
Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Location: Busan, South Korea.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Is he a foreigner like us with a Korean wife???? |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Is he a foreigner like us with a Korean wife???? |
Yes, he is. It's the worst of both worlds: Korean business ethics plus an American litigious instinct.
As for my visa, yes it looks like I'll have no problems reentering the country. I talked to the local K embassy and my friend talked to immigration in Korea. They both said the same thing, I pretty much can't be turned away unless I get convicted of something criminal. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| davyteacher wrote: |
| Is he a foreigner like us with a Korean wife???? |
Yes, he is. It's the worst of both worlds: Korean business ethics plus an American litigious instinct.
As for my visa, yes it looks like I'll have no problems reentering the country. I talked to the local K embassy and my friend talked to immigration in Korea. They both said the same thing, I pretty much can't be turned away unless I get convicted of something criminal. |
Good. |
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