Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Reasonable Offer?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
pauly



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reasonable Offer? Reply with quote

I was contacted by someone who saw my resume online. I'm not sure what to make of it, as the salary was not offered in Korean currency. Is this a reasonable offer? I'm mostly concerned about the salary including housing support. Also, where is Yongin, Kyongki-do in relation to Seoul? I'd appreciate any input.

Occupation : Full-time English Teacher;
Conversation, Debate, SAT Verbal, & SAT Writing

Requirements: English native speaker

B.A. Degree (Master Degree preferred)
Related experiences preferred

Location : Yongin, Kyongki-do, South Korea

Job Description: English instructor at Foreign Language High School(Private) in South Korea

Benefits : Visa Sponsorship, Medical Insurance, Accommodations(if needed)

Vacations : 10 days (min)/ year

Working Hours: 8am to 5pm (day)

Salary: $24,000/year (negotiable) including housing support
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be okay, and certainly will look good on a resume after. One thing to keep in mind though is that any writing classes will involve correcting, and that can take up a fair amount of time.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds quite good to me, but I'm too new to be giving much advice. Do they have other foreign teachers? If I were on the other side of the ocean I'd really like to talk to one before taking the job. Try googling the institution's name and see if you can find anything about them.

I wonder if it would be seen as really bad form just to ask for the email address of a FT working there?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Reasonable Offer? Reply with quote

[quote="pauly"]
Quote:
Conversation, Debate, SAT Verbal, & SAT Writing

Soumds painful: trying to force a class of silent wonders to open up- "debate" is a non event in Korea.. The SAT stuff sounds like a lot of extra work that could get out of hand.

Quote:
(Master Degree preferred)
So, hagwons are getting fussy now?

Quote:
Vacations: 10 days (min)/ year
This means 10 days max, on days taken singly and not in block, on dates that won't inconvenience them.

Quote:
Working Hours: 8am to 5pm (day)
Fairly long day- is it split shift? Are you expected to be at your desk constantly?

Quote:
Salary: $24,000/year (negotiable)

Amazing that the won is so strong now compared to previously. US$24000 = Kr Won24,876, 965. So, you're on a fairly standard 2.0 M w per month.

On the other hand, they sound fairly organised and they would look after you. A fairly OK start to your Korean exp.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesnt sound all that great to me.

if the housing is included in the salary then you can knock off 300,000 won a month minimum.

9 hours a day for 2 mil? No thanks.

10 days? Hold out for at least 4 weeks.

Stupid government screwing up school positions by turning them into hogwans!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds decent, average. I also agree, a good start for your first job. But, if you want it, you better act, as it is posted on Dave's Job Board now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Holyjoe



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Reasonable Offer? Reply with quote

pauly wrote:
Also, where is Yongin, Kyongki-do in relation to Seoul? I'd appreciate any input.


Around 40~45 minutes by bus... it's south-ish from Seoul, not too far from Suwon.

I know the 5001 bus goes from Yongin to Yangjae and Gangnam, and there are a couple of other buses that go to Seoul (5600 goes to Jamsil, I think).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Rapier is right.

If you look at it like he said, it's just a bit over 2.0 a month. That's for a 8-5 job, Mon-Fri? Ends up being a 45 hour week, and 180 hours/month.

Not to mention, housing is included in that 2.0. Whoever mentioned that housing could be 300,000/month is totally right. So now you're making 1.7 a month for 160 hours.....

hmm.....

Why would people say this is a good deal?

justagirl
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yongin is a bit of a drag too.... but not so far from Seoul.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pauly



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, everyone, for your input.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an international high school, not a haggie- that makes a big difference.

Chances are most of those 40 hours are office hours, not contact time. So you'd be getting paid to do the prep, and the correcting, and probably play on the internet for a bit.

Ask one of the teachers currently there how much vacation time they actually get. Gyeonggi province won't schools to offer more than two weeks vacation in a contract, but most public school teachers get more, and I'd assume you would too.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chances? Peppermint you should know better!

Taking chances and making assumptions with any job here in Korea is the mother of all eff ups!


45 hours a week for only 2 mil is pretty low even for an international school.

The including housing is rather vague as it seems that they are including it in the salary which takes it down to 1.7 or less.

Hogwan jobs are starting to look better than some of the public schools now.

40 hours a week vs 30

6 hours a day at the hoggie vs 45 at a school

2.0 including housing vs 2.0+housing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea,

There's something fishy here. I'm starting to think it's an international hagwon.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Cohiba



Joined: 01 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: BEWARE OF THE BADLANDS Reply with quote

Like everybody said, the money sounds good. But I would
think twice before I lived outside of Seoul. "In Seoul" and
"outside of Seoul" are like two different countries. Seoul
is an interesting place with variety and venues for most
tastes. Outside of Seoul you will find a homogenous Korean
culture. I don't mean this in a bad way, but you will never
find things like: brown bread, good beer, bars with good
tunes, English book stores etc.

Remember the FFF RULE. FFF=Fun For Foreigners.

If FFF in Seoul = 100, then FFF decreases at
1/distance. So 2km from Seoul FFF=1/2(100)=50;
10km from Seoul FFF = 1/10(100) = 10. This rule is
a rule for nightlife, food and foreign products only.

This means you will be wasting a lot of time commuting
to Seoul. This is especially a drag if you have been
boozing on a Friday night and there are no buses or
trains.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International