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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Yu_Bum_suk
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 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11: Debunking The Myths |
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America's IC knew a lot about al Qaeda and failed to stop it. There were a hell of a lot of Isreali agents around Hollywood, FLA, and 'art students' and 'movers' in other suspicious locations that the mainstream media doesn't want to discuss. Hardly anyone seems to know the true nature of the relationship between al Qaeda and Saudi power bases.
I think that al Qaeda did it, but if someone else knew about what al Qaeda was up to and wanted another 'Pearl Harbor' (gee, now who would need another Pearl Harbor to acheive their goals?) I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
The US government and media have done a piss poor job of accounting for all the dangling threads, and it's no wonder there are so many conspiracy theories, and, more dangerously, it's no wonder most Arabs sincerely believe one or the other of them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed
By John Mintz and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, March 6, 2002; Page A06
A wide array of U.S. officials yesterday dismissed reports that the U.S. government had broken up an Israeli espionage ring that consisted of young Israelis attempting to penetrate U.S. agencies by selling artwork in federal buildings.
"This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months," said Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden. "The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage."
Several officials said the allegations – first reported by a French online publication and later by other news organizations – of a massive U.S. probe of Israeli spies appear to have been circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency.
This week, the Paris-based "Intelligence Online" service quoted from what it said was a 61-page report by a federal task force, led by the DEA, which said that 120 Israelis posing as art students had been deported as part of an espionage crackdown and that the spy scandal had been hushed up.
But two law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.
Immigration and Naturalization Service spokesman Russell Bergeron said several dozen Israelis in their twenties were arrested and deported in the first nine months of 2001 for being employed without proper INS work papers. A law enforcement official said some were investigated for possible fraud charges.
"These were routine, normal cases," Bergeron said. "I have no knowledge of any espionage-related issues with these people."
DEA spokesman Thomas Hinojosa said that multiple reports of suspicious activity on the part of young Israelis had come into the agency's Washington headquarters from agents in the field. The reports were summarized in a draft memo last year, but Hinojosa said he did not have a copy and could not vouch for the accuracy of media reports describing its contents. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11: Debunking The Myths |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
America's IC knew a lot about al Qaeda and failed to stop it. There were a hell of a lot of Isreali agents around Hollywood, FLA, and 'art students' and 'movers' in other suspicious locations that the mainstream media doesn't want to discuss. Hardly anyone seems to know the true nature of the relationship between al Qaeda and Saudi power bases.
I think that al Qaeda did it, but if someone else knew about what al Qaeda was up to and wanted another 'Pearl Harbor' (gee, now who would need another Pearl Harbor to acheive their goals?) I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
The US government and media have done a piss poor job of accounting for all the dangling threads, and it's no wonder there are so many conspiracy theories, and, more dangerously, it's no wonder most Arabs sincerely believe one or the other of them. |
sure America new a lot about Al Qaida.
The CIA new this , the FBI knew that. DIA knew the other thing but they just knew this and that. They had a lot of information but they had no one to put it together.
What I am saying that if someone had seen all the info there was maybe something could have been done to stop it.
But each intel agency for the most part sees only their intel they don't see the intel from other agencies. There is very little sharing of intel and usaully all intel has to be sourced , brilliant guessing is not encouraged. |
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Bulsajo
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Great article, I guess.
It's pretty sad that some of these theories have gained enough popularity in the face of the facts that they have to be debunked. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Yu_Bum_suk
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The treatment of Sibel Edmonds is another good example of why conspiracy theories will abound. In western countries they're not much more harmful than UFOs, but in the ME they'll just help make one more insurmountable obstacle to US intentions - which may be all the better. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed
By John Mintz and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, March 6, 2002; Page A06
A wide array of U.S. officials yesterday dismissed reports that the U.S. government had broken up an Israeli espionage ring that consisted of young Israelis attempting to penetrate U.S. agencies by selling artwork in federal buildings.
"This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months," said Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden. "The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage."
Several officials said the allegations – first reported by a French online publication and later by other news organizations – of a massive U.S. probe of Israeli spies appear to have been circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency.
This week, the Paris-based "Intelligence Online" service quoted from what it said was a 61-page report by a federal task force, led by the DEA, which said that 120 Israelis posing as art students had been deported as part of an espionage crackdown and that the spy scandal had been hushed up.
But two law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.
Immigration and Naturalization Service spokesman Russell Bergeron said several dozen Israelis in their twenties were arrested and deported in the first nine months of 2001 for being employed without proper INS work papers. A law enforcement official said some were investigated for possible fraud charges.
"These were routine, normal cases," Bergeron said. "I have no knowledge of any espionage-related issues with these people."
DEA spokesman Thomas Hinojosa said that multiple reports of suspicious activity on the part of young Israelis had come into the agency's Washington headquarters from agents in the field. The reports were summarized in a draft memo last year, but Hinojosa said he did not have a copy and could not vouch for the accuracy of media reports describing its contents. |
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http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22carl+cameron%22+israelis&spell=1
Thanks to a nosey reporter from - would you believe it? - Fox News, this angle to the story is not going to die on account of a few government press briefings. |
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some waygug-in
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Bulsajo
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So the US Federal government is completely idiotic, bumbling and useless for not having been able to prevent the 911 attacks, AND it is an organization of supreme genius and secrecy for pulling off such an amazing multi-pronged attack on its citizens while managing to blame it all on some guy named Osama.
Same with Bush. He is the most amazing evil genius moron in the world.
Hey, I'm not a fan of Bush or the current administration- but they have plenty to answer for without making up astounding conspiracy theories.
There's only one rational explanation that fits all the theories and facts-
"Bush" and "Rumsfeld" are in actual fact doppleganger-aliens put on earth to soften us all up for the alien invasion that is soon to come.
You might laugh, but this is a fact-
I know because Nostradamus predicted it 600 years ago. |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| "Bush" and "Rumsfeld" are in actual fact doppleganger-aliens put on earth to soften us all up for the alien invasion that is soon to come. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11: Debunking The Myths |
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And here's one for the all Dark Rider Jeeww-bats ...
Popular Mechanics Attacks Its "9/11 LIES" Straw Man
by Jim Hoffman
Version 1.2, February 9, 2005
2/07/05: 911Research publishes Version 1 of this critique
2/09/05: Popular Mechanics publishes online edition of article
2/10/05: 911Review.com publishes critique of online edition
The Hearst-owned Popular Mechanics magazine takes aim at the 9/11 Truth Movement (without ever acknowledging it by that name) with a cover story in its March 2005 edition. Sandwiched between ads and features for monster trucks, NASCAR paraphernalia, and off-road racing are twelve dense and brilliantly designed pages purporting to debunk the myths of 9/11.
The article's approach is to identify and attack a series of claims which it asserts represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism. It gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account of the flights, the World Trade Center attack, and the Pentagon attack. Meanwhile it entirely ignores vast bodies of evidence showing that only insiders had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack.
The article gives no hint of the put options on the targeted airlines, warnings received by government and corporate officials, complicit behavior by top officials, obstruction of justice by a much larger group, or obvious frauds in the official story. Instead it attacks a mere 16 claims of its choosing, which it asserts are the "most prevalent" among "conspiracy theorists." The claims are grouped into topics which cover some of the subjects central to the analysis of 9-11 Research. However, for each topic, the article presents specious claims to divert the reader from understanding the issue. For example, the three pages devoted to attacking the Twin Towers' demolition present three red-herring claims and avoid the dozens of points I feature in my presentations, such as the Twin Towers' Demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't gotten around to reading it yet, but um ... Popular Mechanics? Really? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe the conspiracy theory for the simple reason that it would be way too difficult to pull off and keep secret.
If Bush and Co. really wanted/needed to an excuse to go to war, they could have just blown up a ficticious airliner over some ocean and blame it on whomever they wanted to.
I don't get how the same people that think Bush and his cronies are mental midgets, but somehow had the smarts to pull off something like this.
I also find it difficult to reconcile the fact that this huge conspiracy was developed and carried out in order to go after the Taliba/Al Qaeda, but when it came to Iraq they just made up a lie. It seems a little lazy compared to the first example. |
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Eunoia
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Location: In a seedy karakoe bar by the banks of the mighty Bosphorus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Not to say that I believe that the gov't knew the specifics about an impending attack, but rather that there was sufficient evidence to support that something was about to happen, and yet little was done about it: This just in (on the CNN and BBC News websites)
9/11 commission: FAA had al Qaeda warnings
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/10/911commission.faa.ap/index.html |
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