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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Korean banmal question Reply with quote

There's this fella who works as a manager in my office and when he says goodbye to the whole team he users the banmal form of that phrase that means "Keep working hard"

Sounds something like:
"Sugo hae"

Is this OK? Pretty rude? Over-compensation for the fact he's 5 foot tall?
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is banmal?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's probably just trying to keep the atmosphere a little informal. But it also depends on how old he is.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he is the manager and the team is his subordinates, then it's ok.. he is in a senior position... so he doesn't need to be *polite*.
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Chillin' Villain



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xtchr wrote:
banmal?


Half a horse.

(ba-dum-bum!)

Sorry... It's actually a casual/polite-ish way of speaking in Korean, to put it succinctly without getting all socio-linguistically crazy with the cheez whiz.

And the "sugo hae" doesn't sound particularly rude, coming from a manager... Maybe if he was saying it to someone older... Is he pretty friendly and comfortable with the team, or is he sorta condescending sometimes?

"Sugo hada" is used a lot instead of a "goodbye" greeting with storepeople/servicepeople... It's not so much a "you better keep working, slacker" kinda statement as it is a "take it easy, mang" kinda statement.

Again, people can explain it deeper, but that's the gist.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah well it sounds OK then- he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in, has a go if I'm wearing what he considers autumn clothing in the winter time Rolling Eyes

but then when I go to England he asks me to bring him back viagra, and he once challenged me to an arm wrestle.

Strange guy.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SJ, you are dealing with Korean men here.. strange is their middle name!!!!!!! (yeah that includes my husband too - he hates kimchi.. that IS strange for a Korean, no?) Razz
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casey's moon



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
ah well it sounds OK then- he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in, has a go if I'm wearing what he considers autumn clothing in the winter time Rolling Eyes

but then when I go to England he asks me to bring him back viagra, and he once challenged me to an arm wrestle.

Strange guy.


Ohh, that kind of guy. In that case, his "sugo hae" might be a bit on the rude side. My superiors pretty much always use the polite forms when they are talking to me or other employees, especially during greetings... but banmal can have a cozy feel to it, from the right people (not from the arm-wrestler guys though -- those guys drive me nuts, and yes, your manager is one among many).
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Bunnymonster



Joined: 16 Mar 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
he once challenged me to an arm wrestle.



Did you win??
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugo-haseyo is better for all around use (cashiers, taxi drivers), though sugo hae is fine for your secretary. It means "work hard.'
I've heard, though, that its not good in any form, even the ultra polite one, when talking to doctors, your school's president, etc.. as if they don't want you telling them what to do.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't generally use it on someone you have to respect or revere (!)... So yeah, you won't use it on the doc or the school prez... but you would use it on the postmen/ delivery men etc.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Korean banmal question Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
There's this fella who works as a manager in my office and when he says goodbye to the whole team he users the banmal form of that phrase that means "Keep working hard"

Sounds something like:
"Sugo hae"

Is this OK? Pretty rude? Over-compensation for the fact he's 5 foot tall?


Korea is a vertical society. If he is your manager then using panmal is his right, and is recognised by everyone in Korean society. But I dont think ���� �߾� is bad anyway. You can translate it as 'thanks for hard work'.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
sugo-haseyo is better for all around use (cashiers, taxi drivers), though sugo hae is fine for your secretary. It means "work hard.'
I've heard, though, that its not good in any form, even the ultra polite one, when talking to doctors, your school's president, etc.. as if they don't want you telling them what to do.


How about sugohaessuminida. It's polite enough (and expected) to use with your martial arts master, is it not polite enough to use with your doctor , school prez, etc.?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember living with a Korean roommate back in Vancouver. One day I came home and he said �����߾��. I thought he said sugoissuyo (�������ê��裩so I said "Nani ga?" ����������and he was like "what?!"
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in



Shaving and tucking your shirt in is 'very formal'?
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