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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:34 am Post subject:

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He has a reason to lie. People will ask questions as to why the police had so few officers with light arms to raid a major growth op.

I just said that I will take a Canadian cop at his word.

What the hell.

I would never say that at home.

Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:40 am Post subject:

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Would you say that between Sept. 1939 and Dec. 1941, Canadians had a lower regard for the life of their men in uniform than the Americans did? Going by the criteria that you've established, I'd imagine the answer to be yes.

No. I would say that we weren't sell-outs. That we recognised who was on the right side in the conflict from the outset. That we fought from the start rather than siding with the victor.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:

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Would you say that between Sept. 1939 and Dec. 1941, Canadians had a lower regard for the life of their men in uniform than the Americans did? Going by the criteria that you've established, I'd imagine the answer to be yes.

No. I would say that we weren't sell-outs. That we recognised who was on the right side in the conflict from the outset. That we fought from the start rather than siding with the victor.

I didn't ask if we were sellouts. I asked if we valued our soldiers lives less than Americans valued their soldiers lives.

Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:50 am Post subject:

No. I don't think so. I think that we had a genuine attachment to the UK which was missing in the US. Look at pictures of Canada in the 40's. Which flag is flying? I'm saying there was a war going on, not this empire-building.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:05 am Post subject:

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No. I don't think so. I think that we had a genuine attachment to the UK which was missing in the US. Look at pictures of Canada in the 40's. Which flag is flying? I'm saying there was a war going on, not this empire-building.

Well, the average American has an attachment to the US, and(rightly or wrongly) sees his nation's interest at stake in Iraq. Therefore, they value the lives of their soldiers less in comparison to the war effort.

Canadians, circa 1939, had an attachement to Britain, and saw Britain's interests at stake in Europe. Therefore, they valued the lives of their soldiers less than they did the war effort.

I can't see a difference here.

Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:35 am Post subject:

If you can't see a difference between total war on Hitler and manufactured "war" on anyone and everyone for the sake of the Bush clique then you really must be pretty stupid.

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:57 am Post subject:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Pot does kill brain cells, as does alcohol (and actually, alcohol kills far more). So what? The fact of the matter is that pot is a fairly innocuous drug. Far less harmful than booze, and booze is completely legal. You smoke pot, you'll be somewhat impaired, but still completely functional. You drink too much, and you go beyond impaired to completely useless.

Aren't military folk held to a somewhat higher standard?

Anyway:

"On January 4, 1987, one of the worst disasters in railroad history occurred when three Conrail freight locomotives traveling above the speed limit between Baltimore and Harrisburg got in the path of an Amtrak passenger train near Chase, Maryland, causing a twisted, flaming wreck that killed 16 people and injured 170 passengers.

Investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) revealed that the Conrail engineer and brakeman had failed to heed a series of slow and stop signals, and that this crew failed to activate the brakes until it was too late -- the engine skidded through a closed switch and stalled squarely in the path of the speeding Amtrak train. The Conrail crew had been smoking marijuana right before the accident and had skipped critical safety checks that would have shown that a whistle that warned of signal changes had been taped shut. Settlements were reached in the civil actions against the rail companies. The engineer was sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty to manslaughter."

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Hank Scorpio

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:24 am Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

Aren't military folk held to a somewhat higher standard?

And I've been a civilian since 1998. Your point is?

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

Yu Bum Suk wrote:

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Well, if one wants to argue about which nation has a lower value for the life of its men in uniform (not an entirely invalid argument) I think it's not too difficult an argument to make.

Your argument is an interesting one. Just out of curiosity though:

Would you say that between Sept. 1939 and Dec. 1941, Canadians had a lower regard for the life of their men in uniform than the Americans did? Going by the criteria that you've established, I'd imagine the answer to be yes.

I would say yes, to a certain extent, by necessity. However, most Canadian casualties happened much later in the war, when all the allies were treating life as more disposible to acheive their goals.

A much better parallel would be 1914-1917, when Canadians clearly had a much lower regard for the life of their men than Americans did.

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

dogbert wrote:

Aren't military folk held to a somewhat higher standard?

And I've been a civilian since 1998. Your point is?

So, you didn't toke while in uniform? Most stoners begin their marijuana use during adolescence. It's far rarer that an adult will suddenly decide to become a poster boy for NORML.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 4 RCMP killed in Alta marijuana raid

Leslie Cheswyck wrote:

igotthisguitar wrote:

i WILL say that the greatest crime of all is that [cannabis] IS "illegal";

Don't you think murder tops that?

Ok, let me try & be totally clear on this then. The thing that's most criminal about prohibition is the very fact that it even exists. Who profited the most under alcohol prohibition in the 20's ??? The same type of killer thugs, gangsters & their lawyers, who cash in on pot prohibition today.

QUI BONO ??? The legislative status quo has been effective in making a lot of them filthy rich.

A totally unrelated issue ( murder ), occurs every day, each for its own apparent reasons, under a multitude of circumstances. For people of conscience, yes, the taking of another's life is indeed likely the most serious conceivable crime.

Hank Scorpio

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

So, you didn't toke while in uniform? Most stoners begin their marijuana use during adolescence. It's far rarer that an adult will suddenly decide to become a poster boy for NORML.

Since when is someone of military age an adolescent? I smoked before I went in, stopped for the 5 years I was in service, and resumed when I got out.

Yeah, the horrible physical addiction was tough to overcome, but with the compassion and understanding of my drill sergeants somehow I coped. Rolling Eyes

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

dogbert wrote:

So, you didn't toke while in uniform? Most stoners begin their marijuana use during adolescence. It's far rarer that an adult will suddenly decide to become a poster boy for NORML.

IIRC, one of the literally very first questions any recruiter asks is, "Have you used drugs?"

Hank Scorpio

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

IIRC, one of the literally very first questions any recruiter asks is, "Have you used drugs?"

Actually, they ask you what drugs you've used. I answered yes to pot and acid, when he asked frequency I answered truthfully on pot (frequently) and acid (twice). That's that. As long as you disclose that you've done it it's no big deal. Of course, once you're in you're subject to surprise piss tests, so that part of your life is over.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

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If you can't see a difference between total war on Hitler and manufactured "war" on anyone and everyone for the sake of the Bush clique then you really must be pretty stupid.

But most Americans who support the war in Iraq don't view it as a war on behalf of the Bush clique's interests, however much that may be the correct analysis. In fact, they probably view the war in much the same terms as Canadians viewed World War II(self-defense, battling tyranny, etc). Hence, their willingness to sacrifice military lives at the present time for the war is comparable to Canadians willingness to sacrifice military lives circa 1939.

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