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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Oh man, Lyndon Larouche. I haven't heard that name in a while. Now there's a gargantuan whackjob. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Any questions? |
Yes. When you can't come up with anything that actually addresses the issues, isn't that the same thing you say almost everytime i make a post you take offense to ???
Truth is i know very little of LaRouche other than he feels AMeriKa is in something of a fiscal crisis. Hmmmmm ... the way you're carrying on maybe i SHOULD look into him more to see what he's actually getting at 
Question #2 : Ever hear of a genetic fallacy ???
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Fallacies of Relevance > Ad Hominem Arguments
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9nz0CaGhhwAJ:www.fallacyfiles.org/genefall.html+genetic+fallacy&hl=en
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genetic+fallacy
e.g. "Don't believe anything he posts, he once said a very bad thing."
Like other forms of the ad hominem argument, the genetic fallacy typically occurs when a person is unable to found a strong basis for his or her position. For example:
1. The separation of church and state is not really an American principle but is found in Article 53 of the constitution of the old Soviet Union. We don't really want to follow a principle created by a totalitarian communist regime, do we?
2. The idea that there are measurable IQ differences among different races is the sort of thing that racists believe and argue for.
3. You aren't by any chance Christian, are you? I can't help but notice how you consistently jump to defend Christianity. You seem to be almost fanatical in this effort not to mention arrogantly didactic about it. For someone who identifies himself as the assistant manager of an atheist/agnostic forum you certainly seem to go out of your way to defend Christians. I find it very peculiar, and it makes me suspicious of your motives.
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| There are a LOT of things I disagree with Joo on, but his assessment of you isn't one of them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Those conspiracy sites have an interest in keeping conspiracy theories alive therefore the distort. Is it possible they could be saying something true sure. But the chances are that they are lying.
and when they is disproven the sites then look for another conspiracy theory.
Igotthisgutiar You have written enough so that that anyone who has been following your posts knows what your are about. You don't only like Larouche , you like Rense, and you like Zundal and the pro Klan American Free Press.
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2. The idea that there are measurable IQ differences among different races is the sort of thing that racists believe and argue for. |
Agreed , and when would I have said otherwise? Though since your Ameircan Free Press is pro Klan maybe you should tell them.
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| 3. You aren't by any chance Christian, are you? I can't help but notice how you consistently jump to defend Christianity. You seem to be almost fanatical in this effort not to mention arrogantly didactic about it. For someone who identifies himself as the assistant manager of an atheist/agnostic forum you certainly seem to go out of your way to defend Christians. I find it very peculiar, and it makes me suspicious of your motives |
I respect all faiths, I am not qualified to say which is the best or if there is a best. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Those conspiracy sites have an interest in keeping conspiracy theories alive therefore the distort. |
Which conspiracy sites ??? ALL ... or some ??? Rather than speaking in abstractions can you give some clear specific examples ???
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Is it possible they could be saying something true sure. But the chances are that they are lying. |
Given your consistently militant opposition to even the naked possibilty that conspiracy lies at the root of anything remotely political, i'm somewhat shocked to hear you admit even a part of what "THEY" say could possibly be the case.
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| and when they is disproven the sites then look for another conspiracy theory. |
Y'know Joo. Given your consistently bad spelling & grammar, if i didn't know any better i 'd say, you do it intentionally in order to post under numerous.
The proper English is ... when they ARE ...
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| Igotthisgutiar You have written enough so that that anyone who has been following your posts knows what your are about. You don't only like Larouche , you like Rense, and you like Zundal and the pro Klan American Free Press. |
As i said before i don't know anything of LaRouche ather than 1) He claims the US in in the midst of a majot fiscal crisis & 2) You totally hate the guy.
Bottom line for me is i prefer ALTERNATIVE online news sources over mainstream. All the news that's "fit to print" pretty much equals all the thoughts that are fit to think.
Also, unlike some people, i don't stop to consider whether the source is known for its leftist, rightist, racist, progressive or whatever bias.
Instead i merely try to assess the article on its own merits. Isn't this the most reasonable approach ???
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2. The idea that there are measurable IQ differences among different races is the sort of thing that racists believe and argue for. |
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| Agreed , and when would I have said otherwise? Though since your Ameircan Free Press is pro Klan maybe you should tell them. |
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| 3. You aren't by any chance Christian, are you? I can't help but notice how you consistently jump to defend Christianity. You seem to be almost fanatical in this effort not to mention arrogantly didactic about it. For someone who identifies himself as the assistant manager of an atheist/agnostic forum you certainly seem to go out of your way to defend Christians. I find it very peculiar, and it makes me suspicious of your motives |
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| I respect all faiths, I am not qualified to say which is the best or if there is a best. |
Dude. You've missed the point. I'm not questioning your views on these issues, neither am i arguing in favour of nor against those stated opinions. Because of their structure they were copied off the website in order to illustrate what logically constitues a GENETIC FALLACY.
Are you interested in logic ??? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Which conspiracy sites ??? ALL ... or some ??? Rather than speaking in abstractions can you give some clear specific examples ??? |
rense whatreallyhappened theamericanfreePress. Larouche Pub ect.
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Given your consistently militant opposition to even the naked possibilty that conspiracy lies at the root of anything remotely political, i'm somewhat shocked to hear you admit even a part of what "THEY" say could possibly be the case. |
probably what they are saying is a lie. Or they might mix truth w/ a lie.
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| Y'know Joo. Given your consistently bad spelling & grammar, if i didn't know any better i 'd say, you do it intentionally in order to post under numerous. |
whatever. You are still a subversive fascist.
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| As i said before i don't know anything of LaRouche ather than 1) He claims the US in in the midst of a majot fiscal crisis & 2) You totally hate the guy. |
well you have used Larouche , Rense the American free press . Where there is smoke there is fire.
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| Bottom line for me is i prefer ALTERNATIVE online news sources over mainstream. All the news that's "fit to print" pretty much equals all the thoughts that are fit to think. |
Yes and often those ALTERNATIVE online sites have an agenda to cause disorder w/ subversive propaganda. Those groups want power their only hope is the overthrow of the US govt and they will doing anything to achieve that end.
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| Also, unlike some people, i don't stop to consider whether the source is known for its leftist, rightist, racist, progressive or whatever bias. |
I know you like them if they fit your agenda. Those sites are are not investigative reporters looking to find the truth, they are subversive propagandists looking to distort, whip up hate and cause civil unrest.
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| Instead i merely try to assess the article on its own merits. Isn't this the most reasonable approach ??? |
The only thing you look for is your agenda.
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Dude. You've missed the point. I'm not questioning your views on these issues, neither am i arguing in favour of nor against those stated opinions. Because of their structure they were copied off the website in order to illustrate what logically constitues a GENETIC FALLACY. |
Well the fact that something appears on one of the sites makes it quesitonable because those sites are dishonest and they have an agenda as you do.
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| Are you interested in logic ??? |
Not from your kind.
You are a class act 
Charles Manson aka igotthisguitar wrote
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I live like just a couple blocks from that bar. While i can't say i have any intention of dropping in, the whole history of the swastika thing is a matter too many ppl are rather ignorant of.
Fact is, it's a cool ancient Aryan symbol; one which the Nazi/Zionist cabal usurped & perversely propagated. Tragedy |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=13408&start=195
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: ... |
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| Secular atheists? I thought this was an oxymoron, but a search of the web does confirm the use of these two words together. How do they differ from secular humanists? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I read a purported debunking of that Clinton conspiracy stuff. The basic gist of it was that a guy in Clinton's position is gonna know a LOT of different people, so if you go through his list of acquaintances with a fine toothed comb, of course you're gonna find a few of them who died prematurely. But to the average person, whose social circles aren't nearly as wide as an American governor's, it's gonna seem like a lot of people.
Just a minor quibble: I doubt that old Lyndon was really trying to give the Nazi salute in that photo. Despite his fascistic tendencies, he's always made a point of being publically anti-Nazi, and often accuses his opponents of being Nazis. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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>. Hmmmmm ... just came across this piece. Wouldn't you say its just a wee bit incriminating ???
Clinton reading from his best selling "My Life" Memoirs.
http://www.fugly.com/media/view.php?cat=AUDIO&id=507
Some of the Germans in the crowd to celebrate the reopening of the Berlin gate overheard Clinton say " ... earlier when I said I wanted to get stoned, this isn't exactly what I had in mind". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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There are a LOT of things I disagree with Joo on, but his assessment of you isn't one of them.
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I nominate this for post of the week. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Money laundering, cocaine addiction, drug trafficking, just some of Bill Clinton's hobbies... |
Give me a freakin' break, man. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Money laundering, cocaine addiction, drug trafficking, just some of Bill Clinton's hobbies... |
Give me a freakin' break, man. |
"Gotta get some for my brother. He's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner!" Roger Clinton Quote
10-30-96 Investors Business Daily - Roger Clinton Drug Arrest
What did he snort and when did he snort it? Americans well might wonder what to make of the stories that Bill Clinton's drug use went far beyond just puffing on a joint or two. The stories are easy to disregard - except insofar as they provide the missing motive for an unquestionable scandal: the president's terrible record in fighting drugs. Two years ago, Sen. Lauch Faircloth, R-N.C., said: ''If any credible evidence surfaces concerning drug use by President Clinton while he was governor of Arkansas, it would be a national scandal.'' A lot of testimony has bubbled up. But is it credible? Sally Perdue, a former Miss Arkansas and Little Rock talk show host who said she had an affair with then-Gov. Clinton in 1983, told the London Sunday Telegraph that he once came over to her house with a bag full of cocaine. ''He had all the equipment laid out, like a real pro.'' Gennifer Flowers says she saw Clinton smoke marijuana and carry joints with him when he first began visiting her in 1977.
Clinton was Arkansas' attorney general from 1977 through 1979. His first term as governor ran from 1979 through 1981. He was governor again from 1983 through 1992. Two Arkansas state troopers have sworn under oath that they have seen Clinton ''under the influence'' of drugs when he was governor.
Sharlene Wilson is a bartender who is serving time on drug crimes and has cooperated with drug investigators. She told a federal grand jury she saw Clinton and his younger brother ''snort'' cocaine together in 1979. Jack McCoy, a Democratic state representative and Clinton supporter told the Sunday Telegraph that he could ''remember going into the governor's conference room once and it reeked of marijuana.'' Historian Roger Morris, in his book ''Partners in Power,'' quotes several law enforcement officials who say they had seen and knew of Clinton's drug use. On a videotape made in 1983-84 by local narcotics officers, Roger Clinton said during a cocaine buy: ''Got to get some for my brother. He's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner.''
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/cocaine.html |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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You cite some unsworn testimony that may or may not be true. Maybe it is. People do drugs, esp. mary jane and Bolivian marching powder. Some of us don't do drugs, but we also don't understand the prohibition-like atmosphere that currently prevails either.
Anyway, on Clinton: he wasn't the first, second, third, or probably even the tenth president to womanize. Remember: there are millions of dollars of publicity money between how presidents seem to be and how they really are, not to mention the corrupting influence of nation-building and historical myth-making. And anyone who would suggest that Clinton was the first president to have been involved in drug abuse is not a realist.
It's not the drug abuse allegation that makes me question your claim, anyway. You mentioned "money laundering" and "drug trafficking," and mentioned them as mere teasers of bigger and better sensations....
Do you have anything besides the wild speculation, circumstantial evidence, hearsay, whispers, or rumors that you usually deal with to back these claims up? Or are you just gonna jerk us off some more with the neverending conspiracy theory? |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I find it interesting that a draft dodging drug user from the South was followed by another draft dodging drug user from the South. Maybe these are new required qualifications for the presidency.
EDWIN EDWARDS IN 2008! |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Clinton |
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| The Taiwanese seem to love this guy. |
Clinton is the second most despised American political figure in Taiwan. He's remembered today for his "Three 'no's" speech, delivered I believe on a visit to China. Clinton is a devoted Communist and in China, he put one hand on the little red book and said "No recognition of Taiwan, No international organization membership for Taiwan, No protection of human rights for Taiwanese, and No, I did not have sexual relations with that xiaojie."
The only American more hated in Taiwan is Jimmy Carter, the man who sold them out and had them kicked out of the UN.
I'm surprised the Taiwanese even granted a visa. I guess it's because of all that "freedom" and "respect for human dignity" stuff that Clinton is so opposed to. Ironic much? |
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