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"Love Stick" A Korean Tradition But Not in Canada?
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: "Love Stick" A Korean Tradition But Not in Canada? Reply with quote

Korean Tradition Takes Beating in Canada Court
A Canadian court has raised hackles by putting a Korean man on probation for caning his 16-year-old, a high school student in Vancouver, during a recent visit.

In early January, the father, who is the CEO of a multinational corporation in Korea, visited Canada to see his son, who had moved there with his mother to study.... However, some five days after the father had returned to Korea, the son started playing truant again. On hearing this, the father got on the next flight to Canada and caned him again, this time more severely.

Limping to school the next day, the son told his teacher that his father had beaten him, and the teacher demanded a police investigation through the education authorities. The Supreme Court of Canada last year upheld a century-old law that allows parents, teachers and caregivers to spank children, but ruled the use of corporal punishment be confined to children between the ages of two and 12.

In court, the father admitted beating his son but argued he was unaware it was against the law. He said it was traditional practice in Korean families, where it was known as the "love stick." When asked how many times he beat his son, he replied, "I was emotional." The son told the court he had been beaten some 20 times, correcting his previous statement. The mother is reported to have returned to Korea with her husband for treatment for physical and emotional exhaustion over the incident, leaving their son and daughter behind in the care of a Canadian family.
by Kim Jae-ho, Chosun Ilbo (March 13, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503130032.html


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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THe father got off pretty light. He wouldn't have been so lucky if he had been a Canadian though.
Just like how we have to watch ourselves over here with regard to Korean law koreans have to do the same when they are overseas. I just hope Koreans see it this way.
I'm not opposed to (light) spanking, however I don't think using a cane is acceptable.
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paperbag princess



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who beats their kids for being truant? good thing the kid didn't get caught with pot or something, or his father would have killed him.
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paperbag princess



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah, and since when is ignorance an acceptable plea?
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean Tradition?
What Canadians do not allow others to practice traditions in Canada?
Are Canadians really so discriminatory and racist?
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marlow



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Korean Tradition?
What Canadians do not allow others to practice traditions in Canada?
Are Canadians really so discriminatory and racist?


How about Rastafarianism, either in Canada or Korea?
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Koreabound2004



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most foreign traditions are allowed to be practiced in Canada. In fact, we are one of the most welcoming countries in that regard. However, when such traditions infringe upon Canadian laws, such traditions should be subject to the those laws....regardless of where the tradition comes from.

Call it racist....but I call it protecting a child from further abuse. That is a right everyone should have. "Love" is not abuse.

BTW, there is another thread on this already, posted earlier.... Wink
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Daechidong Waygookin



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that Canadian kids and American kids are a freaking mess. This is one of the most violent generations in a loooooooooooong looooooooong time. Why? No more physical punishment. Sometimes kids need to get the crap beat out of them to teach them a lesson they will never forget. 300 may have been a tad excessive, but 50 hard lashes would have been enough.

This was not a 10 year old. This was a 16 year old, old enough to drive a car, who knew very well that he was doing something very wrong. This was not a child but a young adult.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:
The problem is that Canadian kids and American kids are a freaking mess. This is one of the most violent generations in a loooooooooooong looooooooong time. Why? No more physical punishment. Sometimes kids need to get the crap beat out of them to teach them a lesson they will never forget. 300 may have been a tad excessive, but 50 hard lashes would have been enough.

This was not a 10 year old. This was a 16 year old, old enough to drive a car, who knew very well that he was doing something very wrong. This was not a child but a young adult.


I'm not sure i'd put a number on how many times a whuppin' is appropriate but I would agree that the youth of n America are in a seriously sorry state.
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Daechidong Waygookin



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Daechidong Waygookin wrote:
The problem is that Canadian kids and American kids are a freaking mess. This is one of the most violent generations in a loooooooooooong looooooooong time. Why? No more physical punishment. Sometimes kids need to get the crap beat out of them to teach them a lesson they will never forget. 300 may have been a tad excessive, but 50 hard lashes would have been enough.

This was not a 10 year old. This was a 16 year old, old enough to drive a car, who knew very well that he was doing something very wrong. This was not a child but a young adult.


I'm not sure i'd put a number on how many times a whuppin' is appropriate but I would agree that the youth of n America are in a seriously sorry state.


They are the lost generation. When they get in power in a few decades the world will be one messed up place. So many kids and young adults need a serious whoopin to set them straight because this panzy style of raising kids that we see now in the West isnt working.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Kids need discipline and all the bleeding heart left wing psychologists can stick their 'its only teaching them that violence is acceptable' buloney up their butts.

20 smacks with a cane..a cane made of what? Oak..excessive. A rattan stick? Painful.

I think that if you brought back public floggings you would see a whole hell of a lot of petty larceny vanish in the wind.

What the hell is wrong with giving your kid some physical discipline for being truant? At 16 they know its not allowed, they know they shouldnt do it. Ground them...ooh what a punishment being kept in your house with a dvd player, xbox/ps2, computer, movies and whatever else.
The kid who got the whacks not only was truant but he lied to his parents, even after admitting he was wrong.

I just love that the supreme court has basically told Canada that you cant punish you teenagers. Rolling Eyes

The pendulum protecting the rights of the individual has swung way too far in Canada.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
I agree. Kids need discipline and all the bleeding heart left wing psychologists can stick their 'its only teaching them that violence is acceptable' buloney up their butts.

20 smacks with a cane..a cane made of what? Oak..excessive. A rattan stick? Painful.

I think that if you brought back public floggings you would see a whole hell of a lot of petty larceny vanish in the wind.

What the hell is wrong with giving your kid some physical discipline for being truant? At 16 they know its not allowed, they know they shouldnt do it. Ground them...ooh what a punishment being kept in your house with a dvd player, xbox/ps2, computer, movies and whatever else.
The kid who got the whacks not only was truant but he lied to his parents, even after admitting he was wrong.

I just love that the supreme court has basically told Canada that you cant punish you teenagers. Rolling Eyes

The pendulum protecting the rights of the individual has swung way too far in Canada.


Amen. Physical punishment has worked for ages. Never has there been a generation so disrespectful so vi0olent, so rotten as the current one. They need physical punishment.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Violent punishment is not a deterrent; it will only perpetuate the cycle.
You want to see what your future wife/husband will turn out like...look at their parents. The majority of the time this is true; a drunken, cheating, wife beating, child beating man/husband will have a few of his sons and or daughters turn out the same way.
Jails and prisons are full of innocent people, right?
Getting 300 smacks with a cane is insane! And the kid has a few screws loose as well........to just stand there and get smacked with a cane?!?!? He could have ran out the house or used the cane on his so called father!
Same with the death penalty...It is NOT a deterrent judging from the amount of prisoners in prisons! And more new prisons being built everyday!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
Violent punishment is not a deterrent; it will only perpetuate the cycle.
You want to see what your future wife/husband will turn out like...look at their parents. The majority of the time this is true; a drunken, cheating, wife beating, child beating man/husband will have a few of his sons and or daughters turn out the same way.
Jails and prisons are full of innocent people, right?
Getting 300 smacks with a cane is insane! And the kid has a few screws loose as well........to just stand there and get smacked with a cane?!?!? He could have ran out the house or used the cane on his so called father!
Same with the death penalty...It is NOT a deterrent judging from the amount of prisoners in prisons! And more new prisons being built everyday!


More and more prisons are built to hold the violent criminals who grew up without any discipline at home. Thats the end of your argument. Why has there been a violence explosion in today's young generations? Because the sissy laws preventing parents from punishing their kids. There comes a time in many kids' lives where they need a serious beating to set them straight, and if thats not done, then the kid continus to do it becaus what deterrent is there? Grounding? I dont think that kids should be beat under the age of 12, but once they become teenagers, they need to taste pain for things like truency, criminal behavior etc. I dont advocate it for minor things but things like mouthing off to parents or teachers or things worse than that need immediate attention and immediate punishment. Rumes have to be set and kids have to know what the line is and what the punishment for crossing that line is. What you are talking about is abuse, which is random and which is also accompanied by bad behavior by the parent. A parent that abuses his kids usually does things like drink which sets a bad example. also in such homes, beatings are random. Its not the punishment itself that shapes future abusers but the overall family atmosphere. In a disciplined and strict home, punishment is dished out in a disciplined and consistent and measured way.
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Son Deureo!



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:

More and more prisons are built to hold the violent criminals who grew up without any discipline at home. Thats the end of your argument.


Wrong. More and more prisons are being built to hold nonviolent drug offenders. Despite some shocking recent incidents, violent crime has actually been on the decrease (at least in the US) for quite some time.

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:
Why has there been a violence explosion in today's young generations?


Because there hasn't been. It's been on the decrease over the past 10 years. However, media coverage of violent crimes committed by minorities and youth has been on the rise.
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