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highland01



Joined: 07 Aug 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:26 am    Post subject: Travel to Beijing question Reply with quote

Anyone have some info on what I can expect to pay for hotel (basic to 3 star range), food, transport to major tourist sites (great wall, forbidden city, etc), and any other mundane costs that I'm overlooking? Help appreciated. Smile
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whatthefunk



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive never been to Beijing, but Ive been to Shanghai and it was pretty cheap. Stayed at a hotel on a university campus and it cost about $15 US a night. Huge room, pretty clean, everything I needed. Eating was also cheap...about $5-15 a meal depending on the place. You could do better than that though...but might as well pay a bit more and eat well. Street stalls were really cheap...chicken sticks for pennies. Dont forget that in China you can bargin for everything! The asked for price is about 500 times what he payed for it. Transport was well cheap...taxis were about the same as in Korea, buses and subways about the same too. Dont know how much tourist sights cost though... If you want to save money, DO NOT VISIT HOE BARS! Damn hoes take all your money and for nothing...
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beijing can be cheap. However you will have to be savvy if you actually want to get good prices, otherwise you could easily pay through the nose. For getting to the Great Wall and Ming tombs, there are busses that leave near Tiananmen Square that you can take for 40yuan ($5) that will take you there. However, the bus driver will probably try to take you to all kinds of "factories" where you can buy *extremely* overpriced products. The bus driver gets a cut from taking you to these places, and they can be a huge waste of your time, so if there's only a few people on the bus, you may want to try 'baksheeshing' the driver if he insists on going.

In general, barter for *everything* including hotels, meals, and my baksheeshing example above. If you get a menu with English writing on it, pick up a menu at a Chinese customers table (they'll be different) and demand the same prices, or at least a discount on the 'foreign' price. If you're buying stuff in an area that sees a fair share of tourists, barter hard. 25% of the original price is the maximum you should aim for (so start your opening price lower -- much lower!)! On some things while I was there, I literally bartered 90% off the price!
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be sweet when you bargain. Smile. Have an idea what things should cost. Don't think everything should cost 25% of what they said... that's ridiculous unless you are talking tourist souveneirs. Most food cannot be bargained for (unless, again, it's food sold out of a basket outside the Ming Tombs or something). Even for Chinese, outside a major tourist site a 1 RMB bottle of water can cost 4 RMB. a 1 RMB ice cream bar can cost 5 RMB. EVEN FOR CHINESE. So, don't buy stuff outside the tourist sites. Oh and the Ming Tombs are boring, the Summer Palace and Forbidden City are great, though.

Go to a university campus to find housing, they usually have one or two dorms that will take you, it's not 3 star, really, but it's at least half of what you'd otherwise pay in Beijing. Last time I stayed in Beijing I paid 70 RMB per night for double occupancy (me and my now-husband, then fiance). That is an extreme case, and we both speak Chinese, you should budget minimum 150 RMB per night and be willing to sleep in a shared room for that price.

Take the public buses from near Tianamen to the big sites. (Walk straight away from the big photo of Mao to the far end of the square and you'll see the bus stops there for the big sites at the right hand corner of the square, across the street). You can also buy cheap North Face stuff in that area, search around, bargain pretty hard. I think I paid 25,000 won for a great zip apart jacket, but again, I speak Chinese.

Baksheesh, in case you are confused is a Hindi (not Chinese) word for tip/bribe. Who knows why the previous poster is using it to people who live in Korea and want to explore China.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cedar wrote:
Be sweet when you bargain. Smile. Have an idea what things should cost. Don't think everything should cost 25% of what they said... that's ridiculous unless you are talking tourist souveneirs.


Obviously not *everything* and not *everywhere*, but in my experiences in Beijing (admittedly short), most places overcharged. Even at a hotel, I was offered a 30% discount when I said it was too expensive.


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Most food cannot be bargained for (unless, again, it's food sold out of a basket outside the Ming Tombs or something).


In restaurants where they have separate menus for foreigners, have you tried getting the Chinese prices? I'm curious. I hadn't tried myself at a restaurant where I first picked up on this practice, but I did pick up a menu at a chinese customers table after I had already ordered at one restaurant, and the prices were easily a 1/3 of what I was paying. If I hadn't have already ordered, I would have tried to get those prices.

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Take the public buses from near Tianamen to the big sites. (Walk straight away from the big photo of Mao to the far end of the square and you'll see the bus stops there for the big sites at the right hand corner of the square, across the street). You can also buy cheap North Face stuff in that area, search around, bargain pretty hard. I think I paid 25,000 won for a great zip apart jacket, but again, I speak Chinese.


I'd like to point out though that speaking Chinese does not necessarily make you a great bargainer (perhaps you are, I don't know..). Knowing the market price of an item and having good bargaining skills to get that price, does.

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Baksheesh, in case you are confused is a Hindi (not Chinese) word for tip/bribe. Who knows why the previous poster is using it to people who live in Korea and want to explore China.


Sorry..I just have always called it that, as it's the name of the word used in most countries where it's practiced. I shouldn't have assumed the poster would have known what it meant.

EDIT:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=baksheesh

bak��sheesh ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bkshsh, bk-shsh)
n. pl. baksheesh
A gratuity, tip, or bribe paid to expedite service, especially in some Near Eastern countries.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I went a couple of years ago, I asked a Chinese co worker to teach me a few phrases. She said all I'd need to know was hello, thank you and " it's too expensive" Laughing

www.sinohotel.com for hotel prices
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bosintang wrote:

In restaurants where they have separate menus for foreigners, have you tried getting the Chinese prices? I'm curious. I hadn't tried myself at a restaurant where I first picked up on this practice, but I did pick up a menu at a chinese customers table after I had already ordered at one restaurant, and the prices were easily a 1/3 of what I was paying. If I hadn't have already ordered, I would have tried to get those prices.



I don't think I have ever been in such a place, I've rarely ever seen a menu in English. One time I was overcharged, though. I was just with another foreigner, and I hadn't looked at the menu, just ordered. But I just insisted they charge me a normal rate and refused to give them any money at all, threatened to walk out, told them go ahead and call the cops until they finally came down to the general ballpark of what such a meal should have cost if it had been well prepared (which it was not). When I go to someplace on the east coast (not my normal part of China) I am just so excited to be able to get Korean food I didn't cook myself, I usually go to a Korean restaurant and order off the Korean menu. In almost any country, the restaurants with the special menus for tourists are where you get the bland crappy food, and though there are exceptions, including some of Beijing's most famous restaurants, I am sure that the original poster will have a much better time going to an ordinary restaurant and using a phrase book to order a couple standard dishes.

p.s. I am an average bargainer, but my husband is amazing.
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theSeeker



Joined: 18 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about airline tickets? how much are they roundtrip from Seoul?
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...Well, I had an all-inclusive package there last year for about 800,000 won for 5 days/nights or so. I know some people don't like those kinds of tours because they tend to rush you through places, but, honestly, it was so damn cold outside when I went I really didn't mind. I also didn't mind seeing the "buy my sh*t" shops either, although some people may. All in all, I feel like I definitely saw more than I would have if left to my own devices. But then, I am lazy.
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Saunagukin



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend against the tours. We went for 5 days and must have been forced to go to 15 factories or as the previous poster said "buy my sh*t" shops". There ended up being a mutiny on the tour I was on, where myself and several others left the tour and traveled the city on our own. Mao's underground bunker wasn't on the tour, neither were the houtongs(sp?). Don't miss them. We saw both, off the tour, and were very happy with both.

We didn't bargain for food or hotel, as they were included, but anything else, we did. Some things really did start at 10 times more than they ended up selling for. Smile...for sure.
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theSeeker



Joined: 18 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a place to stay, with a friend. i'm just wondering how much i can expect to pay for the RT ticket.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saunagukin wrote:
I recommend against the tours. We went for 5 days and must have been forced to go to 15 factories or as the previous poster said "buy my sh*t" shops".


I completely agree.. Here's a post I prevoiusly wrote about my package tour in Beijing, which I took during the Lunar New Year.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=34115&highlight=china
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bosintang wrote:
Saunagukin wrote:
I recommend against the tours. We went for 5 days and must have been forced to go to 15 factories or as the previous poster said "buy my sh*t" shops".


I completely agree.. Here's a post I prevoiusly wrote about my package tour in Beijing, which I took during the Lunar New Year.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=34115&highlight=china


heh, I did the same thing. Eventually I escaped an went shopping by myself. I got products for about 30% of what the people on the tour paid. They organizers were not too happy but it didn't bother me as I guaranteed I wouldn't use their service again.

I too would like ot go back but it seems abit daunting without the tour arrangements.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
When I went a couple of years ago, I asked a Chinese co worker to teach me a few phrases. She said all I'd need to know was hello, thank you and " it's too expensive" Laughing

www.sinohotel.com for hotel prices


Tai Guayla!

And don't smile. Raise your voice. They'll yell back. You'll bargain loudly for awhile, then after you agree on a price, you'll both leave smiling.

You got to do it there. I once bought a suitcase where the price said 135 yuan for 25. When you go to Wong Fu Ji street, bargain with all those shops too. A dress for the girlfriend at 350? Whatever. I'll pay my 80 and go home.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Badmojo wrote:
peppermint wrote:
When I went a couple of years ago, I asked a Chinese co worker to teach me a few phrases. She said all I'd need to know was hello, thank you and " it's too expensive" Laughing

www.sinohotel.com for hotel prices


Tai Guayla!

And don't smile. Raise your voice. They'll yell back. You'll bargain loudly for awhile, then after you agree on a price, you'll both leave smiling.

You got to do it there. I once bought a suitcase where the price said 135 yuan for 25. When you go to Wong Fu Ji street, bargain with all those shops too. A dress for the girlfriend at 350? Whatever. I'll pay my 80 and go home.


My friend who was with me bought a very nice dress for 38yuan (starting price 320). I bought two pendants for 45yuan (starting price 198yuan *each*). He wouldn't give me the cases though, I had to barter with him to give me a little purse instead. The reason we got these prices was we were doing a little academic exercise, more out of curiousity than anything, but if we were being more reasonable we would have settled on a price more comparative to what Badjomo paid and it would have taken a lot less effort. It's a good idea to barter for an *acceptable* price, not necessarily the lowest price.

And I disagree with Badjomo, at least start and end the transaction with a smile, even if it kills you. In the middle of a bartering session it can pay to be more serious and throw out a few theatrics, but keep your cool. It's not worth getting angry over, and you'll only attract attention.
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