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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:14 am Post subject: Immigration/police crackdown on illegal teaching- this June |
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Although I'm usually one of the ones that downplays the significance of these things, I feel that that this article is worth a mention for pretty much everyone teaching here or planning to teach here, regardless if you are legal or not.
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Korea to expel ESL cowboys
By John Scott Marchant, Friday 18 March 2005
KOREA��S ILLEGAL ESL instructors are facing imprisonment, heavy fines and deportation if they do not leave the country before a June government crackdown goes into force, as the US embassy warns of potential threats to US nationals in parts of Seoul.
According to ��Mr Kim��, a Ministry of Justice official who agreed to speak with the
Gazette on condition that only his surname be used, the crackdown will see officers from
the Immigration Bureau, the Seoul Metropolitan Police and provincial police agencies
joining together in a coordinated effort to rid Korea of foreign nationals teaching English
illegally. ��This is an open sewer that has long needed cleaning,�� Kim said when asked the reasons for June��s crackdown. ��Recent events and public pressure has forced the government into action; those caught teaching English illegally will be punished like never before.�� The planned crackdown is in response to an online campaign by Koreans to expel foreign teachers from the peninsula following the revelation that English Spectrum – a website used predominantly by English teachers – was being used to publish anti- Korean postings and sexually suggestive photographs of Korean women with Western men. Feeling have run so high that the US embassy advised Americans to avoid the vicinity of a college in western Seoul, according to the Korea Herald
Buoyed by the results of a preliminary operation staged by Gyeonggi police in which 47 foreigners were found teaching English illegally – a violation of their tourist visas that forbids them from working – June��s operation is expected to net close to 500 violators in what should be a strong message that Korea does not welcome illegal teachers.
Tactics expected to be employed include: institute raids, spot checks on foreign patrons in bars and nightclubs of passports and bank accounts, monitoring of website ELT bulletin boards, placing false advertisements for private English teaching and immigration
compliance audits of Korean-based recruiters. Derek Roberts of Maple Leaf Recruiting believes that the government crackdown is long overdue and welcomes any audit of his business. ��I only deal with teachers who hold genuine university degrees and are eligible
for work visas,�� he said. ��I��ve nothing to fear.��
According to Roberts, Korea which represents the ��last roll of the dice�� for many foreigners is attracting an increasing number of ��desperate�� individuals who do not hold degrees, have drug problems and criminal records. ��Hopefully this crackdown will send the message that Korea is off limits for these types of people,�� he said.
��They��re all talk,�� laughed ��Mitchell��, who agreed to an interview on condition that
his full name not be used. ��I��ve been teaching illegally in Korea for seven years and nothing��s ever happened to me. These crackdowns are always scheduled for summer;
Korean immigration is a seasonal army.�� Holder of a forged MA and transcript purchased
in Thailand, Mitchell said that he has taught at numerous Korean institutes and
doesn��t intend to leave the country anytime soon. ��There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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http://www.elgazette.com/ElNews/NewsStory.asp?StoryID=698
Might be wise to keep your passport and ARC card with you, when out and about this summer.
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: |
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You really gotta love comments like these coming from someone who's probably just your average mid-level, de-wienerised, paper-shuffling civil servant:
��This is an open sewer that has long needed cleaning,�� Kim said when asked the reasons for June��s crackdown. ��Recent events and public pressure has forced the government into action; those caught teaching English illegally will be punished like never before.��
"Break out the cattle prods & thumb-screws, boys!"
Oh, and this bit:
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| Derrek Roberts of Maple Leaf Recruiting believes that the government crackdown is long overdue and welcomes any audit of his business. ... According to Derrek, Korea which represents the ��last roll of the dice�� for many foreigners is attracting an increasing number of ��desperate�� individuals who do not hold degrees, have drug problems and criminal records. ��Hopefully this crackdown will send the message that Korea is off limits for these types of people,�� he said. |
Nice work there, dude. I'm sure this has earned you the respect of the entire board! 
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Cool!  |
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AJRimmer
Joined: 31 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:13 am Post subject: Re: Immigration/police crackdown on illegal teaching- this J |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
��They��re all talk,�� laughed ��Mitchell��, who agreed to an interview on condition that
his full name not be used. ��I��ve been teaching illegally in Korea for seven years and nothing��s ever happened to me. These crackdowns are always scheduled for summer;
Korean immigration is a seasonal army.�� Holder of a forged MA and transcript purchased
in Thailand, Mitchell said that he has taught at numerous Korean institutes and
doesn��t intend to leave the country anytime soon. ��There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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I like his style |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Immigration/police crackdown on illegal teaching- this J |
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[quote="chronicpride"]Although I'm usually one of the ones that downplays the significance of these things, I feel that that this article is worth a mention for pretty much everyone teaching here or planning to teach here, regardless if you are legal or not.
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Korea to expel ESL cowboys
By John Scott Marchant, Friday 18 March 2005
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According to ��Mr Kim��, a Ministry of Justice official who agreed to speak with the Gazette on condition that only his surname be used, the crackdown will see officers from the [b]Immigration Bureau, the Seoul Metropolitan Police and provincial police agencies joining together in a coordinated effort to rid Korea of foreign nationals teaching English
illegally |
Mr Kim? I think I've heard of him. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Immigration/police crackdown on illegal teaching- this J |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
��They��re all talk,�� laughed ��Mitchell��, who agreed to an interview on condition that
his full name not be used. ��I��ve been teaching illegally in Korea for seven years and nothing��s ever happened to me. These crackdowns are always scheduled for summer;
Korean immigration is a seasonal army.�� Holder of a forged MA and transcript purchased
in Thailand, Mitchell said that he has taught at numerous Korean institutes and
doesn��t intend to leave the country anytime soon. ��There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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I like his style |
i seriously wonder if someone is dumb enough to actually say these things still or if they're just making it up. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Immigration/police crackdown on illegal teaching- this J |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
��They��re all talk,�� laughed ��Mitchell��, who agreed to an interview on condition that
his full name not be used. ��I��ve been teaching illegally in Korea for seven years and nothing��s ever happened to me. These crackdowns are always scheduled for summer;
Korean immigration is a seasonal army.�� Holder of a forged MA and transcript purchased
in Thailand, Mitchell said that he has taught at numerous Korean institutes and
doesn��t intend to leave the country anytime soon. ��There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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I like his style |
i seriously wonder if someone is dumb enough to actually say these things still or if they're just making it up. |
It's probably something they read on-line and believed. No doubt Mitchell also gets to sleep with a different student every night. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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Ya gotta love someone with an ego like this. It's good for people to think their job is important, but is teaching kindies really central to the Korean economy?
But what is breath-taking is after the scandal of the TV show, the 2 Canadian dudes still get in a fight and break a guy's jaw, and Mitchell still doesn't see the value of a little tact in a newspaper interview. Don't people know when they are shooting themselves in the foot? At what point does the instinct for self-preservation kick in? |
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keithinkorea
Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.��
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Ya gotta love someone with an ego like this. It's good for people to think their job is important, but is teaching kindies really central to the Korean economy?
But what is breath-taking is after the scandal of the TV show, the 2 Canadian dudes still get in a fight and break a guy's jaw, and Mitchell still doesn't see the value of a little tact in a newspaper interview. Don't people know when they are shooting themselves in the foot? At what point does the instinct for self-preservation kick in? |
Yeah it is a joke when you hear comments from these warped individuals who think they're so important, to be teaching English in Korea, arrogant and classless.
People without degrees should be kicked out, they're breaking the law. It would lower the pool of teachers out there and hopefully improve the conditions in which legitimate teachers here work.
The biggest problem however is not with illegal teachers but the Korean business people who lie and cheat everyone they come in contact with. Cheating taxes, cheating pensions, cheating teachers, lying about schedules, forcing teachers to work illegally, firing them for non legit reasons to avoid severance, cheating on housing, cheating on any damn thing they can dream up in their hogwon association meetings. These people are the true sewer dwellers.
As usual Koreans are playing the old 'blame the foreigner' game. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: |
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baaaa *beep* ing hah....
these are the only two snips I agree with:
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| ��There are so many illegal teachers in Korea that if they deported us all, there��d be a national crisis.�� |
Agreed in that Korea has NO room to crack down. Like an Italiain Mafia cracking down on 'illegal' business. I'm neither pro- nor anti-illegal teacher. But Korea is living in a glasshouse wanting to throw stones.
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| The biggest problem however is ... Korean business people who lie and cheat everyone they come in contact with. Cheating taxes, cheating pensions, cheating teachers, lying about schedules, |
Right, a dictionary example of hypocrisy? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| People without degrees should be kicked out, they're breaking the law. |
I assume you mean teachers without degrees? 
I wonder why the anti-ES site doesn't do something about
www.extrai.co.kr/
a big private lesson area. They're too busy trying to bust little Naver and Daum cafes with pictures of foreigners who are trying to make extra money. They put their pictures up there though, God knows why... |
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Homer
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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People without degrees should be kicked out, they're breaking the law. It would lower the pool of teachers out there and hopefully improve the conditions in which legitimate teachers here work.
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Its breaking the law, but I don't see why people get so emotional and indignant about it. How does a BA in basket weaving make a person more qualified to teach english than someone without a BA? Quite a silly law. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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You really gotta love comments like these coming from someone who's probably just your average mid-level, de-wienerised, paper-shuffling civil servant:
��This is an open sewer that has long needed cleaning,�� Kim said when asked the reasons for June��s crackdown. ��Recent events and public pressure has forced the government into action; those caught teaching English illegally will be punished like never before.��
"Break out the cattle prods & thumb-screws, boys!"
Oh, and this bit:
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| Derrek Roberts of Maple Leaf Recruiting believes that the government crackdown is long overdue and welcomes any audit of his business. ... According to Derrek, Korea which represents the ��last roll of the dice�� for many foreigners is attracting an increasing number of ��desperate�� individuals who do not hold degrees, have drug problems and criminal records. ��Hopefully this crackdown will send the message that Korea is off limits for these types of people,�� he said. |
Nice work there, dude. I'm sure this has earned you the respect of the entire board! |
Looks like someone may get "Derreked" this summer!  |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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Do you really think that Derrek would start a company called Maple Leaf Recruiting?
Besides, I know Derrek. This ain't him. |
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