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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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fidel wrote
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If you consider 700 entry into a museum or park, 1000 won for highway fees, 3000 won for a cheap lunch exhorbitant you'd be lying. the housewife in question is just a lazy cow who does want to get off her thin ass and play with her children. Playing and spending time with children isn't a burden and many things are free.
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If you're lucky enough to live near a park sure it's free, and a parent is supposed to spend time with their kids, it shouldn't be viewed as a burden. . .BUT. . if you want to go somewhere and do something special the costs you listed are vastly underestimated. Going to the playground is great, but people need variety: most museums or parks cost at least 2000 (don't forget you have to pay for yourself as well), there is no way you can get on the expressway and pay less then 1100, lunch for you should be included as well, don't forget the hassle and cost of parking, and also don't forget the price of gas. A day out with my wife and daughter will usually cost between 20000-50000.
I'm not trying to defend the woman's comments, seeing as I find them somewhat objectionable as well, but she does have a point about the costs involved in organizing and executing interesting Saturday activities. If she's a working mom, she also has to take care of all the usually living stuff, such as shopping, visiting a clinic, washing the car, etc etc etc. But then you should know about all this, no? Or don't you go out much with the family? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Gollum wrote: |
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| kids suck. |
No they don't!!! Kids only suck because you don't know how to handle them, they don't suck!!!  |
I take it you don't breastfeed?  |
You are wrong. I exclusively breastfeed. |
Someone either didn't pick up the joke and/or doesn't appriciate puns... |
Oh...... I am sorry, I didn't see the pun...  I take parenthood quite seriously, so I didn't look at the question in jest.
Plus you lose a huge amount of brain cells from having a baby .. well that's my excuse  |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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So, they complain about their children having Saturdays free;
What does this mean for Korean families;
1. The father still goes to work and comes home at the usual hours, not to mention the oh-too-often "team parties" on the weekends where Korean male office workers bond.
But....unfortunate for them, they will have to spend less money on those activities due to the fact that they must pay for their children's extrecurricular programs that their mothers will force them to go to on the weekends.
2. It's bad for the mothers because they would have to actually spend time with their children rather doing their own activities (playing go-stop and meeting friends to go shopping) and in a few rare cases these days, can't spend time with their boyfriends anymore.
3. It's bad for the children because they will be forced to study at institutes more on Saturday to make for the lack of study time they lose on Saturdays.
But the good news would be....
The demand for one-on-one tutoring would increase, thus allowing some of the braver teachers a chance to supplement their incomes by doing more tutoring jobs or doing part time weekend classes at Hogwons.
Don't anyone dare declare it is illegal. We know and they know it is, we'll just leave it at that.
If you work at a hogwon, you might be forced to work on Saturdays, this means you can demend more pay for those extra hours worked. And if new teachers come here or you want to re-sign onto a school, you can demand more compensation for those extra hours.
Easy as that.... |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You are wrong. I exclusively breastfeed. I will do it until baby is about 5 months old (more if I can convince her to hold on that long.. she keeps looking at us when we eat now!!), then I will introduce solids. |
YOu might want to breast feed for longer. I read an article that the Canadian Medical association recommends that babies should be exclusively breastfed for the first sixmonths. Feeding the baby anything else disrupts the baby's immune system.
Also the longer a baby is breastfed the less dependent they will be on their parents later on in life. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
| Gollum wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
| paperbag princess wrote: |
| kids suck. |
No they don't!!! Kids only suck because you don't know how to handle them, they don't suck!!! |
I take it you don't breastfeed? |
You are wrong. I exclusively breastfeed. |
Someone either didn't pick up the joke and/or doesn't appriciate puns... |
bucheon bum,
Maybe it just sucked? |
Perhaps it is the alcohol, but I did in fact chuckle at that one. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: Steriodmax.....don't be a tosser! |
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fidel wrote
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If you consider 700 entry into a museum or park, 1000 won for highway fees, 3000 won for a cheap lunch exhorbitant you'd be lying. the housewife in question is just a lazy cow who does want to get off her thin ass and play with her children. Playing and spending time with children isn't a burden and many things are free.
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If you're lucky enough to live near a park sure it's free, and a parent is supposed to spend time with their kids, it shouldn't be viewed as a burden. . .BUT. . if you want to go somewhere and do something special the costs you listed are vastly underestimated. Going to the playground is great, but people need variety: most museums or parks cost at least 2000 (don't forget you have to pay for yourself as well), there is no way you can get on the expressway and pay less then 1100, lunch for you should be included as well, don't forget the hassle and cost of parking, and also don't forget the price of gas. A day out with my wife and daughter will usually cost between 20000-50000.
I'm not trying to defend the woman's comments, seeing as I find them somewhat objectionable as well, but she does have a point about the costs involved in organizing and executing interesting Saturday activities. If she's a working mom, she also has to take care of all the usually living stuff, such as shopping, visiting a clinic, washing the car, etc etc etc. But then you should know about all this, no? Or don't you go out much with the family? |
Even though I'm a little late in responding to this I felt it needed a rebuttal.
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| Most parks/museums cost a least 2000 |
Well as you can see most don't. I can't understand why you chose to lie but will give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you have only ever visited the more expensive places that I have listed.
War memorial museum Adults 3,000 won, Youth 2,000 won, Children 1,000 won
Gyeongbokgong -Ages 25~64 700 won, Ages 19~24 300 won Children free
Changgyeong-gung (Palace): Ages 25~64) 700 won, Youth (Ages 19~24) 300 won Children free
Changdeok-gung Age 25 and up 2,200 won, Ages 7~24 1,100 won child free
Jongmyo Adults (Ages 25~64) 700 won, Youth (Ages 19~24) 300 won, Free for visitors of Changgyeong-gung
Hangang Park Free
Olympic Park Free
Achasan Childrens Grand Park Adults 900 won, Youth 500 won, Children Free
King Sejong Memorial Hall And Hongneung Arboretum Adults 1,800 won, Youth 1,200 won / Arboretum - Free
Yeouido Park Free
63 Building
Aquarium - Adults 9,000 won, Youth 8,000 won, Children 7,500 won
Observatory - Adults 6,000 won, Youth 5,500 won, Children 5,000 won
Theater - Adults 7,000 won, Youth 6,500 won, Children 6,000 won
Gwanaksan Adults 500 won, Youth 300 won, Children 200 won
Yangjae Citizen's Forest Free
Seolleung/Jeongneung Adults 400 won, Youth 200 won, Children Free
Baekje Tombs at Bangi-dong Free
Lotte World Day Pass -Adults 26,000 won, Youth 22,000 won, Children 18,000 won
Ice Rink -Adults/Youth 6,000 won, Children 4,800 won (3,200 won for rental skates)
Folk Museum (Day Passes are available)
-Adults 4,500 won, Youth 3,000 won, Children 2,000 won
Seoul Nori Madang Free
Dream Land Adults 3,000 won, Youth 2,500 won, Children 2,000 won
Special Pass -Adults 16,000 won, Youth 14,000 won, Children 12,000 won
Dobongsan Free
Bukhansan National ParkAdults 1,300 won, Youth 600 won, Children 300 won
Seodaemun Independence Park
Amsa-dong Prehistoric Settlement Site 500 won
Deoksu-gung 25~64 700 won, 19~24 300 won children free
Namsan Cable Car - Adult round-trip ticket 4,800 won, one-way ticket 3,800 won, Children's round-trip ticket 2,600 won, Children's one-way ticket 2,200 won
Observatory - Adults 4,000 won, Youth 3,000 won, Children 2,000 won
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| there is no way you can get on the expressway and pay less then 1100 |
Who said anything about expressways? FYI, the 100 highway costs 900 won. It's all dependent on how far you are traveling.
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| Or don't you go out much with the family |
What's with the snide remark? I understand that you have some maturity problems but that's something you should take out on your family, not me.
If you consider 20-50 to be exhorbitant for a day out with the family I suppose it all depends on how much you make. If a family is struggling financially or trying to save money there are a lot of options. Not all of them involve driving, there is always public transportation. Packed lunches can be made or ramien purchased. Personally I spend the same if not more than you, but in relation to what I earn it's no big deal. Hey what's an hours work for a days fun and good eating! |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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i'm fookin shocked that parents don't want their kids to have time off and have some fun.
why not just like hang out or read a book, or talk to your kid, or play board games or go to a board game room...or drive to a mountain and walk around. visit a temple.... go down to one of them little river deals that families so often traipse through...go play soccer with the kiddies or take them to a play ground.
for *beep*'s sakes, even sitting their watching TV as a family is better than sending the kids off to school for another 6 USELESS hours.
i wonder if koreans are getting worried that they may actually have to see what little brats their kids are. Maybe those are the people who are complaining.
I live on the side of a "mountain" (big treed hill) and on sundays i regularly see half a dozen families walking up or down or sitting and having tea. last time i was there a mother and daughter were practicing their korean flutes together. that was great...wind in the trees and all.
I think there are a lot of people who ARE upset that they can't spend more time with their kids and may be happy that they now can.
they think that goin to school another day in the week is helping? Why don't they just MAKE them study at home. so that they can WATCH them and prove that they work
Remember: more time off means more time to spend money which means, more active economy (this was henry ford's idea...) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I know this won't be a problem for more than a tiny minority of Korean moms because Koreans love their children more than parents in the West.
Words you will NEVER hear from a Korean mom at the end of vacations: Thank god school is starting again. The kids are driving me crazy. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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i work. i work a lot and i usually don't get enough sleep.
having to get my son ready for school at 7am 5 days a week is enough, thank you.
i personally prefer to sleep 'till 10 on Saturdays! 
but that's just me. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Fidel whined:
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Well as you can see most don't. I can't understand why you chose to lie but will give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you have only ever visited the more expensive places that I have listed.
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looks like someone's got a burr up their tailpipe.
lie? No distortion of the truth from this quarter. You live in Seoul, I don't. There is more to Korea than Seoul. Maybe if you took your head out of your ass once in a while and put yourself in someone else's shoes, considered more than one option, left the city once in a while etc, then you wouldn't come down on that Korean mom. Sure, 20-50 g for a day's fun isn't much for us, but for a single mom, or a low income family? you might want to take some time and reread what I said in the first place: parks are free, but the little ones need variety, and of course the more interesting places cost more.
But what gets me is that you didn't bother to respond to the time aspect of it. Read Ody's post about time, and what I said at the end of my response to your belch. I'd love to be able to spend more time with my kid, but as it stands now with my work schedule, I can't. I'd also love to wash my car, go to the dentist, clean the sun porch, and reformat my computer, but I can't. The wages of sin.
Again, I don't condone what the woman said, but I can understand some of her angst. Anyone who works more than 15-25 hours a week or who understands poverty can relate.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yata boy wrote:
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| know this won't be a problem for more than a tiny minority of Korean moms because Koreans love their children more than parents in the West. |
I hope you're being ironic. If not. Dumbo. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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I know this won't be a problem for more than a tiny minority of Korean moms because Koreans love their children more than parents in the West.
Words you will NEVER hear from a Korean mom at the end of vacations: Thank god school is starting again. The kids are driving me crazy. |
I have... from more than one parent. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I can see how this is a concern for some parents. At my school there are a few kids that seem very poor. I suspect one less school day might equal one less meal for the kids and that's not a good thing at all.
On the flip side of that, I think some posters are overlooking something important. Kids don't need their parents to constantly entertain them and they don't need to spend money to be amused. Most kids enjoy a game of tag with their friends which is free, at least as much as a trip to a museum. Let them play dressup with your old clothes, make a fortress out of the kitchen table and a blanket. Let them use their imagination and just be kids! |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| lie? No distortion of the truth from this quarter. You live in Seoul, I don't. There is more to Korea than Seoul |
I used Seoul as an example, becauseI live here and the fact that's it's the most expensive place to live in Korea. If it's possible to have a cheap day out with the kids in Seoul, one has to assume that's it's even more so in other parts of the country.
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| Sure, 20-50 g for a day's fun isn't much for us, but for a single mom, or a low income family? |
Yes, thanks for ageeing with me. As I said I spend on entertainment relative to what I earn.
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| If a family is struggling financially or trying to save money there are a lot of options. Not all of them involve driving, there is always public transportation. Packed lunches can be made or ramien purchased |
If I was struggling financially, I wouldn't drive my car, eat out at expensive restaurants etc. However I would still have an enjoyable day. I'd be with my family, visiting a museum, having a picnic and kicking a ball around, whatever.
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| left the city once in a while |
What people who don't live in Seoul/Pusan always say about the people who do. Thanks for the rehash. I suppose you're going to tell me next to go back to my own country and get a job at Mc Donalds Consider this, I put 40,000 k's on the clock last year and I don't drive to work. I have a Haneok house in Jeollabuk-do which I visit as often as I'm able, and I actively looking for another to purchase on an island in Jeollanam-do.
Why mention time contraints, it's not a factor. Everyone in the world has limited time resources to varying degrees, and I don't believe Koreans are busier than anyone else.
Peppermint made a valid point that you seemed to have missed. Unlike some adults kids are easily entertained, it's not like you have to do a major outing every week to keep them happy. I firmly believe that simply spending time with their parents, their sibblings and friends is as rewarding as packing them off in a car to visit some entertainment venue.
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| On the flip side of that, I think some posters are overlooking something important. Kids don't need their parents to constantly entertain them and they don't need to spend money to be amused. Most kids enjoy a game of tag with their friends which is free, at least as much as a trip to a museum. Let them play dressup with your old clothes, make a fortress out of the kitchen table and a blanket. Let them use their imagination and just be kids! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Unlike some adults, kids are easily bored. They can easily become bored of an activity and require some direction or "adult supervision." They may find some things to do that can cause the loss of a limb.
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