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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh for *bleep* sake!! I didn't say that pronunciation was the ONLY thing that should be taught!!! Just that it's a good idea to teach the CORRECT pronunciation of some words! I didn't say a thing about "r" and "l"! Who cares? I DO care when my uni students say "I'm from Jeju ISE-LAND"! It makes them sound like morons!

Of course "r" and "l" CAN be important! One student said that she liked "rabbit dancing". Sure sounded like "lapit dancing" to me!!

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not to be insulting, but after reading some of the crap in this forum, i sometimes wonder if some of you really know what you are doing in your classrooms. geez, louise.


Yeah...that IS insulting! I'm sure I have a LOT more hours both in the classroom and on-line, looking for ways to improve the quality of my teaching. Who do you think you are, anyway?

I don't usually respond to..um..."people" who flame, but I made an exception in your case!

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i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.


This is your "location". Seems like it's true!!
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pauly



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the responses. Just to clarify my situation a bit, I am in a high school where my classes are 50 minutes long. The Korean English teachers are either a little younger or a little older than me. I will be teaching three classes of teachers with no more than five teachers per class. They seem pretty open to having a topical conversational class where I prepare a topic based on current events, a short story, poetry, etc. and we just discuss it. If you've done this before, what have you done that seemed to work?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they want current events, try articles from USA today- the language is fairly simple but it's decently written. Articles from one of the Korean dailies ( I like the Chosun more than the Times or the Herald)once in a while too.
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NearlyKorean



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: I use a book called Reply with quote

When teaching adult conversation I use the book

"Talk Your Head Off and Write, Too."

It has serveral topics to discussed.
It includes a list of vocabulary words, a set of 10~12 discussion questions,
and some activites to complete....

I found the book can easily be adpated to level of the students. It is also good for classes where the level varies as the more advanced students will help the lower level students....

All in all, I feel it's a good book and goes for about 14,000.
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wild sphere



Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
Oh for *bleep* sake!!
watch the language! Evil or Very Mad

ajuma wrote:
I didn't say that pronunciation was the ONLY thing that should be taught!!! Just that it's a good idea to teach the CORRECT pronunciation of some words! I didn't say a thing about "r" and "l"! Who cares? I DO care when my uni students say "I'm from Jeju ISE-LAND"! It makes them sound like morons!

Of course "r" and "l" CAN be important! One student said that she liked "rabbit dancing". Sure sounded like "lapit dancing" to me!!

looks like somebody's screaming out for a big wild sphere hug! Smile

ajuma wrote:
wild sphere wrote:
not to be insulting, but after reading some of the crap in this forum, i sometimes wonder if some of you really know what you are doing in your classrooms. geez, louise.


Yeah...that IS insulting! I'm sure I have a LOT more hours both in the classroom and on-line, looking for ways to improve the quality of my teaching.

reading and heeding the teaching advice i offer in the posts i make on this forum is a great beginning, young lady. Cool

ajuma wrote:
Who do you think you are, anyway?

wild sphere, Supreme ESLCafe Lover and handsome assed knave troll? and you? you are? Confused

ajuma wrote:
I don't usually respond to..um..."people" who flame, but I made an exception in your case!

i'm flattered. love me now? Very Happy

ajuma wrote:
wild sphere wrote:
i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.


This is your "location". Seems like it's true!!

tease
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wild sphere



Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pauly wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. Just to clarify my situation a bit, I am in a high school where my classes are 50 minutes long. The Korean English teachers are either a little younger or a little older than me. I will be teaching three classes of teachers with no more than five teachers per class. They seem pretty open to having a topical conversational class where I prepare a topic based on current events, a short story, poetry, etc. and we just discuss it. If you've done this before, what have you done that seemed to work?


been there, done teaching them how i think they should teach English compared to how they are teaching English.

"give somebody a fish and you feed them for a day. teach somebody to fish and you feed them for a lifetime." - mark twain

short stories, poetry, current news topics...blahblahblah. you have been in Korea too long. they'll chat with you a short time then go and forget everything you talked over. teach them something concrete that they could use to teach others and themselves over and over again. give them tools to properly teach and learn English on their own. sure it demands more preparation time and dedication but it is also so much more professionally rewarding.

make them bring notebooks to every session and teach them how to properly take useful notes in English. an academic skill that seems not to be taken seriously in English in this country. teach them how to select quality authentic materials and readings then competently convert them into teaching and learning English communicative tasks, activities and exercises. teach them the useful components of a learning task, discovery task and how to sequence and put together effective lesson plans. teach them the endless educational benefits to using multimedia materials with highschool students and connecting with them on a techno-level that will make them thrilled to be learning English.

brother, open your eyes. opportunity is slapping you in the face. don't let it apathetically slip away.

you bet. Cool
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wild sphere wrote:
ajuma wrote:
I agree with hellofaniceguy's tip on teaching pronuciation(sp?)!!! You can make it fun, but PLEASE do it!!

The pronunciation for island is NOT IS-LAND or ICE-LAND!!

The pronunciation for clothes is NOT CLO-THEZ!!


well, no. correcting their pronunciation is just one aspect of error correction and can be done integrated into learning tasks which reflect a real life, learning experience that connects student with teacher. in this case, you and your students are in the same profession and share the same daily employment experiences. connect with them on a personal, professional level to capture their interest and motivate them to want to communicate to you and their fellow students/teachers in English intelligently by exchanging ideas and opinions on the issues that matter to them most.

jesus, do you really expect 50 year old Korean English teachers that are barely able to read English from inadequate grammar textbooks they've been using over the last 25 years to care if they pronounce L or R correctly yet alone having any interest at all in a 1 hour lesson based on it? get real. how about the young Korean English teachers fresh out of teachers college that can already pronounce the sounds correctly? oh, it will be so fun and they will be so thrilled to be participating in a substandard lesson 3 or 4 levels under their own English proficiency level!

bring your students and your lessons together through a common link. in this case, your teaching jobs.

not to be insulting, but after reading some of the crap in this forum, i sometimes wonder if some of you really know what you are doing in your classrooms. geez, louise. Rolling Eyes


The idea is not to get the teachers to speak/get the pronunciation.... correctly....they are to old to change...the idea is to teach them the correct pronunciation, etc...so they can pass it along to their younger students. Every teacher has a different way of teaching...just because it does not match your idea of teaching does not mean: quote: not to be insulting, but after reading some of the crap in this forum, i sometimes wonder if some of you really know what you are doing in your classrooms. geez, louise. end quote
Don't knock what others are doing because it doen not agree with you. If every teacher taught the same way...it be more screwy in korea!
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wild sphere wrote:


short stories, poetry, current news topics...blahblahblah. you have been in Korea too long. they'll chat with you a short time then go and forget everything you talked over. teach them something concrete that they could use to teach others and themselves over and over again. give them tools to properly teach and learn English on their own. sure it demands more preparation time and dedication but it is also so much more professionally rewarding.

make them bring notebooks to every session and teach them how to properly take useful notes in English. an academic skill that seems not to be taken seriously in English in this country. teach them how to select quality authentic materials and readings then competently convert them into teaching and learning English communicative tasks, activities and exercises. teach them the useful components of a learning task, discovery task and how to sequence and put together effective lesson plans. teach them the endless educational benefits to using multimedia materials with highschool students and connecting with them on a techno-level that will make them thrilled to be learning English.



And this interests the average Korean hagwon teacher who sees this job as nothing but short-term?

And this interests the average Korean public school teacher who's thirty or forty something and set for life?

Pauly, I'd stick to the conversation.
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wild sphere



Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
wild sphere wrote:
quote: not to be insulting, but after reading some of the crap in this forum, i sometimes wonder if some of you really know what you are doing in your classrooms. geez, louise. end quote

Don't knock what others are doing because it doen not agree with you. If every teacher taught the same way...it be more screwy in korea!


i posted that comment out of frustration. i am wrong. my bad, i take it back. Embarassed
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was a thread somewhere about teaching middleschool girls who weren't in the least interested in learning English. They seemed to know the system, and would try to get away with murder so to speak. you could lay something like that on them, and follow the lesson up with some of the responses posted to the original post. Maybe they have similar problems, and they might be stimulated to know how we would have handled the same or similar problems.
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wild sphere



Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len8 wrote:
Was a thread somewhere about teaching middleschool girls who weren't in the least interested in learning English. They seemed to know the system, and would try to get away with murder so to speak. you could lay something like that on them, and follow the lesson up with some of the responses posted to the original post. Maybe they have similar problems, and they might be stimulated to know how we would have handled the same or similar problems.


yep. i agree and the next opportunity i get to teach middleschool kids, i'm going to keep your idea in mind. Cool


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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having taught at a teachers' college (kyodae), to which current K-teachers of English would come for refreshers, I think that I can speak to this one. What they wanted and needed most were materials that they could use in their own classrooms. We worked through a great many English teaching games together (Heinemann is a good source, for one). The teachers would actually play the games, time the preparation, get a sense of the learning outcomes, and go home each day with something in their bags that they could actually use once they returned to their schools. The ultimate target audience is not themselves, but their own little charges.
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wild sphere



Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolsage wrote:
Having taught at a teachers' college (kyodae), to which current K-teachers of English would come for refreshers, I think that I can speak to this one. What they wanted and needed most were materials that they could use in their own classrooms. We worked through a great many English teaching games together (Heinemann is a good source, for one). The teachers would actually play the games, time the preparation, get a sense of the learning outcomes, and go home each day with something in their bags that they could actually use once they returned to their schools. The ultimate target audience is not themselves, but their own little charges.


bingo! you've got a winner! Cool
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tommynomad



Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first time I trained other teachers, we were half a day and three hours of theory into the class when we realised we'd made a major programming error. Theory, after all, is something any decent teacher can study and discover on their own. We (the director and I) collected some feedback after lunch, sent the participants home with the promise of a better program starting the next day, and went to her house. Five hours, a pad of poster paper and a couple of joints later, we had competely rewritten the program according to the students' needs, instead of our anticipations of those needs. I think I learned more from teaching that program than they did from taking it!

What do teachers need? Tactical, practical strategies and programs to use in the classroom with their own students. All the rest is incidental and/or ego.

My favourite sources: Eric Jensen, Karl Rohnke and a book called Caring and Sharing in the Language Classroom by a woman whose name escapes me.
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pauly



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. Your replies have been most helpful.
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