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ticktock
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| trigger123 wrote: |
| i wonder what the experience is for women? |
Good and bad but mostly good. |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: In the gym
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| cheem wrote: |
| trigger123 wrote: |
| i wonder what the experience is for women? |
These are my observations so far:
1. Korean men LOVE gyopo women.
2. Gyopo men generally like Korea more than gyopo women. |
Why do you think that is? I'm especially curious about the first part. Where I work, there is a kyopo vixen who Westerners are mad about but who the male students (adults!) have no interest in. She doesn't have the double folds and she sports a fantastic tan, which seems to make her less appealing to native born Korean guys. So I wonder what sort of kyopo female grabs attention here.
While I'm at it, I'd like to ask how the Kyopo males (who are generously contributing here despite a lot of irrational hostility being thrown their way) feel about Kyopo females. If that's vague, I'll ask: given a choice between dating one twin sister who was born and raised here, or the other who was born here but raised in the States, who would you choose? |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Are you serious? :) I'd go for the overseas raised one for sure. Without a doubt, no questions asked.
jae. |
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gochubandit
Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Location: under your bed... with a marker
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Are you serious?  I'd go for the overseas raised one for sure. Without a doubt, no questions asked.
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ditto on that. native girls give me a headache after a month of dating. even gyopo girls can be a headache too, esp the k-town LA type, but generally i've dated mostly this type.
actually come to think of it, ALL girls give me a headache after a couple months. race is irrelevant. |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: Re: The KYOPO experience. |
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Guess I can address the OP...
| jajdude wrote: |
| I'm just another white guy, so I don't know the experience of overseas Koreans coming back to Korea to teach, or whatever they do. But I'm curious about it. I have been lately hanging out with an American whose parents are Korean, so he looks totally Korean but speaks and thinks American, though his Korean ability is good too. He seems a bit bitter about the razz. He gets looked at just as much when he speaks that American English. Most Koreans do not seem to grasp why a Korean face speaks American! So I wonder how it is for kyopos here. It seems like a whole breed of experience few would understand. |
I see it like another tourist destination where I can speak the language (much like how I'd view NZ, Canada, or Britain), and where I have lots of family friends and relatives who put up with me.. :) I can see how others would view it as some potentially cathartic experience, "connecting with your blood" or some such drivel like that, but most of the other gyopos I know just go there cos it's a fun, cheap place to spend a holiday (ironic huh?).
I've had a chat about working in Korea with my old man, who's working in Seoul at the moment and also with my sister. My sister and I both agree that living and working there for long periods of time just wouldn't go down well with us, and all power to those out there who can.
IG has an interesting point regarding views held by Korean men of gyopo guys. I've had the chance to meet a lot of people during my travels back and forth to Korea, and from all walks of life. Perhaps it's just the circle of people I know, but from the working class blokes who've just come out of the army, through to the well off kid who's just done 6 years of study abroad, they all seem to enjoy spending time with gyopos. I guess it's more about the character of the person than the fact that they're a gyopo.
Not many people like dealing with an arrogant fool just off the boat who thinks they're God's gift to the country, gyopo or not.
jae. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| chotaerang wrote: |
| Why do you think that is? I'm especially curious about the first part. |
My observations are drawn from anecdotes from my sister and cousins, as well as three terms I spent at Yonsei. During that time, I hung out with gyopos almost exclusively, and the girls were the shiznit -- there's no doubt about it. The second part, about the g-guys liking Korea more than the g-girls, is less conclusive but overall I've found that g-girls are disappointed with k-guys, while g-guys don't seem to have much problems with k-girls. Furthermore, g-girls seem to have a hard time adapting to the attitudes and restrictions placed on women here, which are probably even more constricting than what the white women here experience.
As for your second question, I'm going to deviate from the previous posters and say, Korean Korean all the way. K-girls, in spite of their quirks, are just exotic. I'll go even further by saying, k-girls who don't speak English. I've found that the k-girls who speak great English tend to 1. like practicing their English with me and/or 2. play on the foreigner merry-go-round. The latter isn't a bad thing; I just find k-girls who date foreigners exclusively a turn-off. Plus they just aren't as mysterious. |
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mercury
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| cheem wrote: |
| chotaerang wrote: |
| Why do you think that is? I'm especially curious about the first part. |
My observations are drawn from anecdotes from my sister and cousins, as well as three terms I spent at Yonsei. During that time, I hung out with gyopos almost exclusively, and the girls were the shiznit -- there's no doubt about it. The second part, about the g-guys liking Korea more than the g-girls, is less conclusive but overall I've found that g-girls are disappointed with k-guys, while g-guys don't seem to have much problems with k-girls. Furthermore, g-girls seem to have a hard time adapting to the attitudes and restrictions placed on women here, which are probably even more constricting than what the white women here experience.
As for your second question, I'm going to deviate from the previous posters and say, Korean Korean all the way. K-girls, in spite of their quirks, are just exotic. I'll go even further by saying, k-girls who don't speak English. I've found that the k-girls who speak great English tend to 1. like practicing their English with me and/or 2. play on the foreigner merry-go-round. The latter isn't a bad thing; I just find k-girls who date foreigners exclusively a turn-off. Plus they just aren't as mysterious. |
I can relate to what you say about that. Their are certain Korean girls I have met that have become the beaches of the beaches, just because they once had a foreign boyfriend (or studied abroad) that automatically gives them the right to think they are it, that they have some special ability to judge every teacher, no matter where he or she came from. They think they are superiour to everyone, and they tend to use their old boyfriend as the criterion to judge everything you say. It seems like the girls that hang out in most foreign bars are in this category. But..........the girls who do not speak English so well are usually open minded, considerate, excited about novel things. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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There are gyopos and then are Koreans who spent a key part of their youths abroad (eg children of diplomats or bizmen assigned overseas) and SEEM like gyopos but are not. The latter are MUCH more Korean, sophisticated and smarter than the average Joe in Seoul.
My personal experience with gyopos is that they are best avoided. The one who don't stab you in the back probably talk sh*t about the motherland and are even worse than many of the whiners on this board (as if that is possible). |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| jaebea wrote: |
Are you serious? I'd go for the overseas raised one for sure. Without a doubt, no questions asked.
jae. |
That's surprising. As Cheem pointed out, Korean-Korean women have all that exoticism and mystery going for them while kyopo women -while still great- don't. So why exactly did you answer as you did? |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
My personal experience with gyopos is that they are best avoided. The one who don't stab you in the back probably talk sh*t about the motherland and are even worse than many of the whiners on this board (as if that is possible). |
What sort of complaints do kyopos have about the mothership? I mean the usual suspects, like getting stared at and immigration stuff doesn't apply, so what bothers them? |
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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| chotaerang wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
My personal experience with gyopos is that they are best avoided. The one who don't stab you in the back probably talk sh*t about the motherland and are even worse than many of the whiners on this board (as if that is possible). |
What sort of complaints do kyopos have about the mothership? I mean the usual suspects, like getting stared at and immigration stuff doesn't apply, so what bothers them? |
It's probably the cultural differences. after having spent 20 some years in north america it's probably difficult to adapt to a totally different culture - just like all the whities out there. |
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gochubandit
Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Location: under your bed... with a marker
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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chotaerang wrote:
Yaya wrote:
My personal experience with gyopos is that they are best avoided. The one who don't stab you in the back probably talk sh*t about the motherland and are even worse than many of the whiners on this board (as if that is possible).
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yeah, watch out for them gyopos. 
and in the meantime, watch out for those ESL teachers too. u know, the ones who borrow cash from u cuz their broke as* didn't bring enough money from home and then pull a runner on u. and the ones who get drunk and go on a temper tantrum and tell ur female co-workers how they "always wanted to date an oriental."
pshhh yeah.. watch out. |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| chotaerang wrote: |
| jaebea wrote: |
Are you serious? :) I'd go for the overseas raised one for sure. Without a doubt, no questions asked.
jae. |
That's surprising. As Cheem pointed out, Korean-Korean women have all that exoticism and mystery going for them while kyopo women -while still great- don't. So why exactly did you answer as you did? |
In my opinion, there's a far liklier chance that I'd meet a overseas raised Korean with interests and world views that I can relate to (although not necessarily the same opinion). Don't get me wrong, there's an inherent appeal with something very different (which is represented by Korean Koreans), but I don't like being pushed outside my comfort zone. Call me boring.. :)
jae. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| chotaerang wrote: |
What sort of complaints do kyopos have about the mothership? I mean the usual suspects, like getting stared at and immigration stuff doesn't apply, so what bothers them? |
I don't think this is true. When a kyobo (who is also a foreigner) is hanging out with other foreigners and speaking native English, he gets stares that can surpass what the whities tend to get. I have seen this. He is naturally mistaken for a local. When the kyopo does not speak Korean well enough he gets criticized or insulted or is assumed dumb by some idiot Koreans, or is told by some hick ajosshi to always speak korean even though he is talking to his white friend. Overall the kyopo probably has as much to be bothered about as the obvious foreigner. The kyopo probably has a greater incentive to learn Korean better, too, though it isn't necessarily any easier. One thing he might do is lie about being from somewhere else in Asia, like Singapore or Hong Kong, if he wants to avoid using Korean, and have it understood why his English is flawless. And of course koreans will always speak to him in a group of foreigners and will always speak to him in normal fast Korean right away, whereas Koreans often will barely say a word to a white guy. |
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