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First foreigner labor union. Can we join?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: First foreigner labor union. Can we join? Reply with quote

Imagine how much shock and dismay there would be if this were something we could join, and suddenly did it overnight.

http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050425/410100000020050425105029E6.html
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it... most of us are in positions that these workers seriously only dream about

Seriously, I know a girl who is majoring in Korean for foreignors and she teaches DDD workers Korean. The first phrases she has to teach them are "Please don't beat me" and "Please, can I have my wages." Confused
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Derrek but by comparison we are living on the gravy train.

These guys really need that union.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Sorry Derrek but by comparison we are living on the gravy train.

These guys really need that union.

___________quoted and underscored______________________________
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true the DDD workers need the protection even more than ESLers do, it might help them to have members from Western nations--more numbers, more money and whatever attention Western governments give to working conditions in foreign countries. The Korean government might pay more attention to complaints from Western countries than it does to the government of the Phillipines.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are foreign English teachers working in other countries (Japan, Taiwan, China, Thailand, etc.) members of legally recognised labour unions?

I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing not. And I'm also guessing that South Korea isn't going to be leading the way on this.

As for Western governments bending the ear of the Korean government, they tend to "speak" through their representation in the country, meaning their embassies. And according to posts I've read recently, Western embassies are becoming more adamant about their refusal to get involved with problems relating to bad schools, contract violations, severance pay issues, etc. No?


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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see Derrek going there with his complaint, "they're forcing me to go on a trip to Jeju-do and they're going to make me drink soju!!!"
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our situations may be light years better than the 3D workers, but that doesn't mean we don't have any reason to organize either.

Having said that, I'd always heard it was illegal for foreign workers in Korea to organize. I definitely want to see how this plays out.
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redbird



Joined: 07 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Sorry Derrek but by comparison we are living on the gravy train.

These guys really need that union.


Just because other foreigners need a union more than English teachers doesn't mean that foreign teachers shouldn't form one. For migrant workers, there may be no end to issues a union could work on.

But a union for teachers could start by ensuring that contracts are adhered to. That would help clean up the hagwon industry and be good for practically everyone-- the teachers, the students, and honest hagwon owners.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, could give some promising results that one.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
I can see Derrek going there with his complaint, "they're forcing me to go on a trip to Jeju-do and they're going to make me drink soju!!!"



With 400 16 year-old girls who are constantly grabbing at me and screaming to take a photo with them, no less!!!!!

Damn them!!! Laughing
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labor unions don't work well in industries with high turnover and small numbers of workers in each workplace. Its too hard to form a union when you get the kind of insane turnover that you get in most hagwons and it'd be a bit silly to try to collectively bargain if there's only a foreign worker or two (as there are in many many hagwons).
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