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The "S" list part 3: Setting Free the Women
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it true that Hanchongnyon are actually opposed to inter-racial dating? Strange for a so called radical leftist group. It contradicts leftists organizations back home.

Not strange at all, in the Korean context. They take their cues from North Korean ideology as well as traditional Korean xenophobia, which for many reasons scorns the "contamination" of Korean blood. Note that Western visitors are forbidden to even shake hands with North Korean women.

Anae asked about the cartoon - here it is:


Discussion about said cartoon, here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/koreainformed/message/169

Further commentary from MSN's Korean Media Watch:
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The cartoon in Hankyore 21 shows an American soldier raping the wife of a Korean man. The soldier threatens to kill the husband if he steps over a line the soldier draws on the floor. The husband simply watches as the US soldier rapes his wife, even though his wife is begging him to help.

After the soldier leaves, the wife calls her husband a coward, but the husband smiles says he is not a coward because he stepped over the line ten times during the rape.

The husband wakes up and realizes it was just a nightmare. Outside his window a banner is demanding a total revision of the SOFA, not just cosmetic changes.

Link to the comic strip
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The cartoon is way off base since the big SOFA issues this year have not been rape, but a traffic accident and a subway incident in which a US soldier was attacked and then kidnapped by an anti-American group.

Many Koreans, including the President-elect, have been demanding that the US give Korea legal jurisdiction over accidents and crimes involving US military personnel even when they occur while on duty, something the US is not likely to give since no other country in the world has such jurisdiction. Korea already has jurisdiction over crimes committed by US military personnel while off duty.
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gatohorrible



Joined: 02 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with much lemon says but here he is right.
The problem with the korean nationalist discourse is that unlike other countries where socialist groups can be seen to be internationalists and anti-corporate , Korean has a onesize fits all kind of nationalism which is impossible to fight. If you post something like beatnik did, you get labelled an interefering white foreigner - if you take the butterfly way you are quite happy to be in a land that oipppresses women . he might actually get a date.

The problem with debating with koreans is that on any call thye'll bring in the 'you re foreigner' discourse and try and exclude your right as someone living on this planet to criticise their disgusting anti-women, anti-foreigner , anti-everyone discourse.
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crusher_of_heads



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Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starperson wrote:
'On the other hand' - how can you even compare women's rights with 'obese rights'? Would I be off the mark in pointing out that nobody is born obese? Perhaps there are some who are very large no matter what they do, and yes, there is a problem with discrimination there. But really. I don't believe your comparison was relevant.



Hey, hey, hey, everybody, it's Faaaaat Albert!

Na, na, na, gonna have a good time!
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy thread necromancy Batman!

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"By the early 21st Century many young Korean men won't be able to get married - at least not to Korean brides," says the Korean edition of the Lonely Planet travel guide in an article titled "Where Have All the Young Girls Gone?" It says: "A dire shortage of marriageable women is now looming over South Korea's social future. By the Year 2010 it is estimated there will be 128 single men at "peak marriage age" (27 to 30 years old) for every 100 single women at peak eligibility (age 24 to 27). And those numbers get worse every year."


I wonder if this forecast has come true?
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anybody seen the other threads that have to do with this one, numbers one and two (and potentially three, 'soju'...gotsta read that one)

either they're not around or the search function isn't helping me too much.
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PootyTang wrote:
My wonderful Korean wife keeps telling me that back in Korea....the new generation of men are helping around the house. So this weekend added my already long list of chores is LAUNDRY and DISHES 2X A WEEK

Christ, for all I know she's been reading your posts.


[img]http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/1967274.jpg[/img]

now I have to:

Cut the grass/sweep back porch / All yard related work...(100 degree heat and at least 110-115 for a few days this summer)
Take out the garbage (am) / bring back the garbage can from the street... (pm)
Feed dogs/walk dogs (she helps with this one)
Sweep the tile floors/mop tile floors (she helps with this)
Change the oil in both trucks (every month it seems)
Wash trucks every week.
Wash dishes and Laundry 2x a week.






[img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/142832/DUPIJMSUAWRSBNYNXFED-icon_smile_dissapprove.gif[/img]


Well, sir, you just tell your wife that even the new generation of Korean men tend only to perform light domestic chores, and as they spend longer hours at work even these chores get forgotten. I read this in a collection of anthropological papers, all peer reviewed, completely citation worthy, but would you believe I packed them? Anyone who doubts me can take it up with professor soandso as soon as I unpack and dig out the citation.
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All domestic duties are considered housework in Korea (citation’s in the mail). Nailing in baseboards would be the wife’s responsibility (or hiring someone to do it). Think of all those gendered household chores we divvy up in our minds, and all of the rationalizations we use to explain why the woman performs one task and the man performs another. In Korea, all of the rationalization explains why a woman is the most logical choice to perform all of these tasks. It is so deeply ingrained in society that hiring practices are based off assumptions people make about the division of labour in a household. A woman won’t be promoted because she is expected to get married and leave. A married woman is expected to do all of the child rearing chores and thus cannot be expected to go to all of those after work functions that are so important in advancement in a Korean company (can’t shoot soju till the wee hours and still take the kiddies to all the right hogwons). Koreans know businesses hire with this in mind, so even a relatively liberal minded couple will make the logical choice to have the man as the main breadwinner as it will be of greater benefit in the long run. Can’t blame it all on the husband’s cruddy sexist attitude, he (benefit of the doubt here) might be experiencing a little glass escalator syndrome (it’s not a syndrome, I just couldn’t think of a better alternative to ‘getting a bit of the glass escalator’ which sounds vaguely dirty in my adolescent mind) (I interrupt my sentences this much when I’m conversing, too. I’m pretty incomprehensible).
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