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harixseldon



Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Public School job questions Reply with quote

Sorry if I'm trying to get people to repeat information they've already given, but doing searches didn't find me what I'm looking for.

I'm happy with my hagwon job right now. I'm about 6 months in, the school is good, my co-workers are good and the director is good. I'd consider staying here longer except the city is way too small.

Anyways, through the hagwon I'm teaching 4 classes a week at a local public school and I'm loving it there. Even though the classes are big I like the atmosphere much better than the hagwon.

On to my point: at the end of this contract I'm going to try to find a public school job. I'm going home for a month or two then off to Thailand to get certified in TEFL.

With a year+ experience here and a certificate, will I be qualified to teach public school here?

Also what are people's opinions on the best way to find public school jobs? Recruiters? Online postings?

It's a while away but I'd like to start planning and thinking about my options.
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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Location: The Lost Horizon

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you could get a public school job with your experience. You probably won't get the highest salary of the three levels but you should manage okay.

If you are interested in living in Seoul, I know that they are planning to hire a large number of teachers for their public schools beginning from next August, if that fits your timeline. I know that the Footprints recruiting agency is recruiting for some of those jobs. You might want to contact them and see what they say.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plume D'ella Plumeria wrote:
I'm pretty sure you could get a public school job with your experience. You probably won't get the highest salary of the three levels but you should manage okay.

If you are interested in living in Seoul, I know that they are planning to hire a large number of teachers for their public schools beginning from next August, if that fits your timeline. I know that the Footprints recruiting agency is recruiting for some of those jobs. You might want to contact them and see what they say.


the so called 3 levels apply only to GEPIK and maybe Epik. There are ways to get public school jobs not through these programs.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldnt have a problem getting a public school job.

Remember though..public school jobs start in either September or March. March being the start of the Korean school year.

Good luck
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
You shouldnt have a problem getting a public school job.

Remember though..public school jobs start in either September or March. March being the start of the Korean school year.

Good luck


Although this is true, its not exclusive to only September or March. I was hired in October.
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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Dweeb W, now that you've laid your rather heavy editing hand on the trying-to-be-helpful posts that Grotto and I contributed, why don't you do a little helping out of your own and kindly share with the OP your own expertise on the "other ways" to get those plummy public school jobs, such as the one you claim to have.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 3 types of public schools jobs according to me. You are in an after school program. They can be nice. Low over head and you come to school when everyone is gone.

Formal programs like EPIK and such and direct hire. The latter are the best when you want to be a real teacher and a real part of the machine.

I prefer the first type I mentioned and I will tell you how exactly to get one but it involves pavement pounding (sort of) and quick wittedness oh your behalf.

If you want to live in Seoul, get the list of all of the public schools. Make a good marketing package for yourself with a nice picture, have the letter translated and mass mail them out. Plan on sending at least 50 and tell them you are interested in public school programs. State your ideal conditions and its very likey you will get 3.5 million a month for 20-25 classes a week.


There are some businesses working in this area but try to avoid them. The are a bad lot. I agree with you, these after school programs are the best. It is very informal and you'll have lots of latitude. It will be up to you to make the everything and everyone click but the alternative is hogwan hell so you'll have incentive.


Good luck.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plume D'ella Plumeria wrote:
Well, Dweeb W, now that you've laid your rather heavy editing hand on the trying-to-be-helpful posts that Grotto and I contributed, why don't you do a little helping out of your own and kindly share with the OP your own expertise on the "other ways" to get those plummy public school jobs, such as the one you claim to have.


I laid my heavy editing hand on your posts because your posts needed editing.

My job is not an Epik or Gepik gig, and I thank GOD every day with a dozen shouts of HALLELUYAH in the morning.

The way I got mine was actually by replying to an ad on Dave's. The district office was filling vacancies in several schools in the district and was hiring directly, then assigning teachers to individual schools.

So, I guess the moral of the story is to watch for offers on sites like this one because they do come up from time to time.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just avoid getting hired for the after school program through a company called Win education. Last year they were KM education. Maybe they still are and they have two names. I don't know. Anyway it was working at a public school, but with a hogwan-like director and manager. Meaning questionable deductions, unfulfilled vacations, immigration problems resulting from shoddy visa processing.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
There are 3 types of public schools jobs according to me. You are in an after school program. They can be nice. Low over head and you come to school when everyone is gone.

Formal programs like EPIK and such and direct hire. The latter are the best when you want to be a real teacher and a real part of the machine.

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The latter are the best and they offer the most money. I looked at the GEPIK site and to my horror, I am making more money than a top level GEPIK teacher who has experience in a public school. And this is my first year at a public school.

The thing is unlike GEPIK I have tons more on my shoulders. I teach alone, I plan alone, I gather the materials alone. I am totally independent in my selection of material and in the actual teaching. I am flying solo. No help.

I get plenty of compensation and I answer to my pricipal and vice principal ONLY, not some idiot bureaucrat.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumptown wrote:
Just avoid getting hired for the after school program through a company called Win education. Last year they were KM education. Maybe they still are and they have two names. I don't know. Anyway it was working at a public school, but with a hogwan-like director and manager. Meaning questionable deductions, unfulfilled vacations, immigration problems resulting from shoddy visa processing.


The way to avoid immigration processing problems is to do it yourself. I always find out on my own which documents I need, I get them from my employer and I go to immigration and file everything on my own. I dont involve my employer at all. Anything that needs to be signed or stamped I get signed and stamped by him at the school. That way I know that I have filed everything and I avoid trouble. Ive always wandered why 20 or 30 something "adults" need their hands held by their bosses instead of getting things done by themselves. Be procactive and take control of the process. It also helps to keep my documents in MY hands only.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I agree. However the problem is that we were all nearing the expiration on our visas and were told by the company that if we paid the 100,000 won fine for overstaying. All would be cool. Not so, as there is now a black mark on everyone's record for that happening.
Interesting that you do all the visa processing yourself. I wouldn't think that it would be possible for a foreigner to deal directly with immigration in the processing of a visa.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumptown wrote:
Yeah, I agree. However the problem is that we were all nearing the expiration on our visas and were told by the company that if we paid the 100,000 won fine for overstaying. All would be cool. Not so, as there is now a black mark on everyone's record for that happening.
Interesting that you do all the visa processing yourself. I wouldn't think that it would be possible for a foreigner to deal directly with immigration in the processing of a visa.


Sure its possible. I bring all my stuff, I give them what they want. Im polite and well dressed and there is never an iota of trouble. They are polite and accommodating.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, you can do it yourself. Big deal...

But you still are required to hand immigration documentation typed by your employers, etc.

I've done it both ways -- by myself, and having the school do it. Personally, if I know the school knows what they're doing, I'd rather save myself the legwork.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of public\private school positions opening up these days. And as most of the better qualified teachers have been scared away by the ridiculous vacation allowance of two weeks, most schools will take any warm body with a white face.

They are a few programs like EPIK, GEPIK, and Seoul that recruit directly, but most schools go through a recruiter.

The majority of the jobs are in elementary schools, and elementary schools generally pay more.

Salary ranges from 1.9m to 2.5 m, depending on your experience and qualifications, for 20-23 classes a week. Don't believe all the stories you hear about public\private schools paying these huge salaries.
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