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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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I still say that the numbers of teachers hasn't dropped -- it's grown.
The number of teachers with E-2s has dropped. It's just too much of a mess to get one, and the rules differ depending on who you talk to at immigration. Also, the Ministry of Education says one thing, while the Immigration Dept. says another.
People working here on long Tourist Visas have much more incentive to work illegally, because they can work two PT jobs and/or a bunch of privates and make a LOT more money than working for some hagwon that may or may not pay you. The "release letter" situation adds more fuel to the fire.
I really wonder what the #s of people are in Korea on Tourist Visas at any one time? |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| the authorities have begun investigating the authenticity of workers' qualifications and the practices of the hagwon owners who employ them. A number of teachers have since been deported and fines of up to $4,000 (�2,000) have been issued against employers. |
Good. |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
The number of teachers with E-2s has dropped. It's just too much of a mess to get one, |
How is it "too much of a mess" to get an E-2 visa?????
From my previous experiences you --
1 Find a job
2 sign the contract and send passport copy, original degree and perhaps transcripts to your employer
3 employer takes it to immigration
4 wait
5 go to korean embassy with visa paper and get visa
In what other way could this be less "messy?" |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| plattwaz wrote: |
| Derrek wrote: |
The number of teachers with E-2s has dropped. It's just too much of a mess to get one, |
How is it "too much of a mess" to get an E-2 visa?????
From my previous experiences you --
1 Find a job
2 sign the contract and send passport copy, original degree and perhaps transcripts to your employer
3 employer takes it to immigration
4 wait
5 go to korean embassy with visa paper and get visa
In what other way could this be less "messy?" |
I should have been more specific.
No one likes being chained to an employer via an E-2 visa. You can't even quit and move to a different job easily if you want. Have a bad employer? Tough! You have to get THEIR approval to leave. Fat chance of that happening, in may situations! You're stuck, and can't get another job until the end of the contract if the employer won't release you!
That is definately, "Messy."
People who work illegally on tourist visas don't have to worry about it. They can come and go from PT jobs as they please. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| the authorities have begun investigating the authenticity of workers' qualifications and the practices of the hagwon owners who employ them. A number of teachers have since been deported and fines of up to $4,000 (?,000) have been issued against employers. |
Good. |
I couldn't help but notice that ......... NO......... employers were fined.
You say "good"? I really have to question your reasoning.
Of the "illegal" teachers in Korea, I wonder how many of them were legal at one time until they got screwed over big time by some thieving hagwan boss or other. I wonder how many of those charged and deported were really
"illegal".
After all, these guys can just up and claim that my degree is fake. It's up to me to prove that it's real. Some dishonest boss can just falsely accuse me of teaching privates and have me deported, when in reality he is just finding a way to avoid paying my salary.
There wouldn't be so many illegals, in my view, if schools would just treat their teachers fairly. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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So, I wonder, is the intelligent to do is let yr foreign ass be beat to hell or retaliate? Just don't damage the Korean too bad?
No matter who starts it....?
If Korean idiot is beat up worse, who pays?
Man, how about the latest kick "my car not me" story ? |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
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| the authorities have begun investigating the authenticity of workers' qualifications and the practices of the hagwon owners who employ them. A number of teachers have since been deported and fines of up to $4,000 (?,000) have been issued against employers. |
Good. |
I couldn't help but notice that ......... NO......... employers were fined.
You say "good"? I really have to question your reasoning.
Of the "illegal" teachers in Korea, I wonder how many of them were legal at one time until they got screwed over big time by some thieving hagwan boss or other. I wonder how many of those charged and deported were really
"illegal".
After all, these guys can just up and claim that my degree is fake. It's up to me to prove that it's real. Some dishonest boss can just falsely accuse me of teaching privates and have me deported, when in reality he is just finding a way to avoid paying my salary.
There wouldn't be so many illegals, in my view, if schools would just treat their teachers fairly. |
Its 'good' because teachers who are illegal spoil it for everyone else. If there are a large number of illegals teaching then there is no quality control. There's no check on their degrees or even a requirement to have one, etc etc etc.
I'm sure there are plenty of good teachers on tourist visas and bad ones who have E-2s but all this under the counter BS just makes ESL teaching seem shady and dodgy. Little wonder then that people get treated badly and pay rates stay low.
There's too many chancers in the ESL system and if the people who take it seriously could somehow weed them out then their profession would be much more highly regarded. |
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure there are plenty of good teachers on tourist visas and bad ones who have E-2s but all this under the counter BS just makes ESL teaching seem shady and dodgy. Little wonder then that people get treated badly and pay rates stay low.
There's too many chancers in the ESL system and if the people who take it seriously could somehow weed them out then their profession would be much more highly regarded. |
I couldn't agree more. Well said.... |
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