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kids can ruin game day and pizzia day
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject: kids can ruin game day and pizzia day Reply with quote

At my last school, I had one game day. Uno for all, all day. The kids behaved so poorly I got complaints about noise and discipline and it was my worst day there. I just had pizzia day. A group of kids snuck into the room with the pizzia, locked the door and ate all of the pizzia. How can they screw something like that up? Maybe i expect too much but its only uno and pizzia. How can that not go smoothly?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had game and treat days go badly too.

The key is too rule whatever game you're doing with an iron fist and regulate the food treat like army rations. Kids will go ga-ga if these things are allowed to go loose.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have game day every Friday.
That went all right for my half-hour classes, but it proved to be too much of a good thing for my one-hour classes.
So I cut it down to a half-hour for my one-hour classes.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duluoz wrote:
A group of kids snuck into the room with the pizzia, locked the door and ate all of the pizzia.

Do you teach these children???

If you do I would be treating them so awfully for the rest of the time I was there they would leave the hagwon......make them suffer. Get angry at them for on minor little error... Don't hit them, just make it clear that you dislike them a lot and what they did was clearly wrong, it is the only way they will ever learn.

For some reason i hate when something like this occurs.

Have another day but make it clear there is no way in the world they can touch it...while all the rest of their classmates eat away.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you do I would be treating them so awfully for the rest of the time I was there they would leave the hagwon......make them suffer. Get angry at them for on minor little error... Don't hit them, just make it clear that you dislike them a lot and what they did was clearly wrong, it is the only way they will ever learn.



That's just a little harsh, isn't it? Kids will be kids. Yes, there must be consequences to poor behavior, but not 'permanent dislike'. After all, I'm fairly sure your parents forgave you for fingerpainting the new wallpaper.

Maybe try this:

a) Develop a strategy of controlling noise during regular classes. For example, flashing the lights when the noise level gets too high.

b) Make the next game day/pizza day dependent on them learning and responding quickly to that strategy.

c) Discuss proper behavior for those special days with clear rules. After all, any change in routine gets kids excited. It goes with the territory.

d) Make them earn these special days. For example, make the party cost 100 points. Give one point for each kid who does his/her homework. Give 5 points for a class period that goes smoothly with no serious misbehavior. (It's called letting the group bully the rowdy kids into behaving.)

e) Beware of sugar and caffeine under any circumstances. They are hard core drugs in the bodies of kids.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked in a hagwon, I used to have game day (UNO) every Friday...AFTER a spelling game and a spelling test. Also, the kids HAD to speak English during the game. If anyone spoke Korean, they had to take two cards. They were great a ratting each other out, since the "reward" for winning a game was candy! I can still hear "Teacher, he spoke Korean!!!" Also, if a student missed words on their spelling test, they had to write each one 10 times before they could play.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Teacher, he spoke Korean!!!"


Wow, that's pretty good if they can say that.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea it seems that the nice kids are super nice, and the worst ones have absolutely not one ounce of appreciation for anything whatsoever. It's why the idea of group rewards doesn't really strike my fancy.
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guangho



Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never gone for the whole bribing kids with candy business. I guess I have certain expectations of the older ones and the little ones need to be guided towards the goal of behaving. Reducing the whole thing to 'shut up and eat a candy' seems weird to me. Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I give out candy as a treat (at the end of the class/week) for good kids, but the whole idea of premising classroom control on a Lotte World blueberry gum seems strange.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Korea it seems that the nice kids are super nice, and the worst ones have absolutely not one ounce of appreciation for anything whatsoever. It's why the idea of group rewards doesn't really strike my fancy.


That sounds like a description of every group of kids I ever taught, East or West.

The name of the game is blackmail. The weapon is peer pressure.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
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"Teacher, he spoke Korean!!!"


Wow, that's pretty good if they can say that.


I taught them that phrase. I told them that "Teacher, Korean!" was "baby talk" and they were MUCH better than that! Kids...no matter WHAT age, HATE to be thought of as babies!
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they also know, "Teacher, she spoke Korean."
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah...it was only the boys who spoke Korean. Wink
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ajuma, you're 50% more successful than I am in keeping the kids from hangukmalling.
How do you do it?
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheer bribery! I started each class by writing everyone's name on the board with 5 lines after each name. If a student misbehaved, I erased one line. If they spoke Korean or Konglish 3 times (after a couple of months, just once), I erased a line. The person with the most lines at the end of class got a candy. If they DID need to speak Korean, they had to ask permission "Teacher, may I speak Korean?". There were times when one student didn't understand something and another wanted to explain it. In that case, of course I let them!

I also made speaking English in class something that they could be proud of. I would make sure that they heard me telling my director how happy I was with them because they spoke only English in class. And I told THEM how great they were for speaking English all the time. It was great for their self-esteem.
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