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teachmeenglish
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:49 am Post subject: Uni conditions |
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Well I've been lucky enough to land a perfect uni job, but questions have come up.
1. I am on some sort of private uni pension plan. What is it and how does it work. How different/independent is it from the national system?
2. I am a Kyosuk??? prof. What does that mean? Full? Assistant? Lecturer? I undrstand I am a prof, but what level? How are the levels important or different?
3 I heard that as a prof I am legally entitles to NOT work sumemrs and winters without extra pay. Correct?
4. I only have a BSc but am almost done my MA TESL. I am on an E2. how will /' can my status change with my MA finished?
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Uni conditions |
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teachmeenglish wrote: |
Well I've been lucky enough to land a perfect uni job, but questions have come up.
1. I am on some sort of private uni pension plan. What is it and how does it work. How different/independent is it from the national system? |
don't know the answer to this one as I have always been on the national system.
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2. I am a Kyosuk??? prof. What does that mean? Full? Assistant? Lecturer? I undrstand I am a prof, but what level? How are the levels important or different? |
The levels are not that important. Most likely you will be a full-time lecturer. Only a very few schools give foreign instructors status higher than that.
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3 I heard that as a prof I am legally entitles to NOT work sumemrs and winters without extra pay. Correct? |
Wrong, that's just convention. I know of at least 2 and probably more universities where you are required to teach vacation classes but not for extra pay.
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4. I only have a BSc but am almost done my MA TESL. I am on an E2. how will /' can my status change with my MA finished? |
It probably won't change. You may get a small raise though. |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Better to ask your school about these questions than people on this board.
1. Some are, some aren't. Better to ask your school.
2. Not sure - I think that is a generic term - probably "lecturer" - the only way I know for sure is to look at my contract and/or read the sign on my office door. Better to ask your school - or read your contract.
3. Varies by school. You are only "entitled" to what your contract says. And trust that even at the university level contracts are still "flexible" - Better to ask your school.
4. Depends if they will want to go through the hassle of getting it changed or not. Probably won't matter to them. Better to ask them.
Sorry about my tongue-in-cheek, but really your school is the place to find the answers.
And, Congratulations! Hope this gets you on the happy path of long vacations! |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Uni conditions |
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teachmeenglish wrote: |
2. I am a Kyosuk??? prof. What does that mean?
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"Kyosu/����" means "professor", but unis often seem to give that title to foreign instructors without giving them a lot of the rights and privileges that come with being a full professor.
Congratulations on getting the job. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Into my sixth year and second uni. The Master's should award you the E1 visa, different only in that you whisk through customs faster. As to vacations, check your contract; it should be spelled out there. Good luck with the gig. As you've no doubt discovered, the money's not much different, but the hours are far better, and the students are (arguably) more mature. Cheers. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: |
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They might give you the Kyosu title.
However you will not be a real Kyosu and more likely a lecturer.
This is normal as to qualify as a Kyosu you would need a PHD in a relevant field of study, publications and proof that you contributed to the field of study you are in. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Everyone gets their pension back if it's in a private pension fund. You have to be from either Canada or the U.S. to get your money back if it's in the National Pension fund. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Homer wrote: |
They might give you the Kyosu title. However you will not be a real Kyosu and more likely a lecturer. This is normal as to qualify as a Kyosu you would need a PHD in a relevant field of study, publications and proof that you contributed to the field of study you are in. |
E-1 Status (Professors) Visa
* In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
[Republic of Korea] Ministry of Justice, Immigration Bureau
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp
E-2 Status (Teaching Foreign Languages) Visa
* In principle, a foreign language instructor shall be a native speaker of the teaching language.
[Republic of Korea] Ministry of Justice, Immigration Bureau
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp
Corrupt professors common, students say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
Stop corruption in academia
Editorial, JoongAng Daily (April 27, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272153216879900090109011.html
51 Universities Face Penalties for Fraud
By Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (April 19, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200504/kt2005041917215911970.htm
Professors Cheat to Maintain SCI Scores
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it.
by Choi Won-seok, Chosun Ilbo
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html
Scandals Rock schools
Korea Has Long Way to Go in Education Reform
by Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (February 25, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200502/kt2005022518253910230.htm
Ghostwriters investigated
Firms selling graduate projects face charges
A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn��t want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others." The prosecution suspects that at least 30 illegal ghostwriting businesses are in operation.
by Kang Joo-an, JoongAng Daily (March 17, 2003)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html
Academic Pay
Pohang University of Science and Technology has the highest annual salaries at around 67 million won ($52,000). The universities that topped the list after Pohang were Yeungnam University (62.7 million won), Sungkyunkwan University (61.7 million won), Korea University (59.5 million won), Hannam University (58.3 million won) and Hoseo University (56.4 million won). The lowest-ranking school paid an average annual salary of 28 million won. The annual salary of first-year professors ranged from 17 million won at Cheju National University to 43 million won at Sungkyunkwan University. "The average annual salary of Seoul National University professors is only 37.5 million won," Mr. Sul said. "This is 71st among the 82 universities analyzed and among the lowest at public universities."
by Kang Min-seok, JoongAng Daily (September 23, 2001)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html
Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798
Some people seem to think you MUST have a PhD or doctorate to be a professor. I looked at the faculties of two large Korean universities. Here is a list of professors without PhDs (Notice they have various ranks--assistant, associate, and full--simply written as Professor). I did not include their names (__ __ __). The highest degree is noted.
Archeology
1. Associate Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Economics (and Management)
1. Professor / __ _ _ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / __ __ __ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /__ __ __ / Master of Arts
Finance
1. Professor / __ __ __ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts (1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant)
2. Assistant Professor / ___ ___ ___ / Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ____ __ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / ___ ___ ___ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / ___ ___ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ____ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / ____ _____ ___ / Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 (full) professors have masters degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / ___ __ ____/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / ___ __ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
4. Professor /___ ____ / Master of Arts in Sociology |
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