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AdamH



Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Location: Bachman Turner Overdrive...Let's Rock!

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Where to go after Korea? Reply with quote

I'm considering one of two things to do after my contract is up in October:

1) Go to Japan and do the JET program(me)

2) Head to Spain and do the CELTA, then look for an ESL job there

I'm a Brit, and have heard that it's cheaper to go to Spain for the CELTA than to stay in England and do it there. If I did work there, I would want to be in the Mediterranean area rather than in a landlocked city.

Which leads me on to another point:

Does anyone in Incheon speak Spanish, and would you be willing to recommend some good learning materials or teach me some basic conversational stuff? PM me if so.

Cheers.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that Spain is a good place to do CELTA. Did mine in Prague...cheaper! Prague is a good place to teach if you've got extra cash, but the pits if you don't. Don't know how entry into the EU has affected teachers...but you're a Brit, so no worries!
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Zark



Joined: 12 May 2003
Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a CELTA or TELF cert I would recommend Thailand. You won't find nicer people - or better food - anywhere. And the prices are quite competitive. Overall costs are probably less.

And, btw, Brit English is the prefered English there.

I have a page on TEFL certs at http://phuketdelight.com/TEFL.htm

After Korea (the first time) I went to Taiwan (2 years) Saudi (5 years) and Thailand (2 years)and now back to Koreja (2.5 years and counting. . .).
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
I've heard that Spain is a good place to do CELTA. Did mine in Prague...cheaper! Prague is a good place to teach if you've got extra cash, but the pits if you don't.

Interesting. And curious. "Extra cash" for what? Getting settled, or simply living there?

Based on what you found, do teachers looking to live and work in Prague need to budget for higher start-up costs (getting a place, getting settled, etc.), whereas, teachers in Korea, for instance, can often hit the ground running, with employer-provided accommodations already in their contract? And if they can just manage the steep "admission fee", Prague is a good place to teach?

Or, are the up-front costs not the problem, but rather average teaching salaries are too low vis-a-vis the cost of living in Prague?

Or thirdly, are salaries across the board for nearly everyone in Prague just too low to afford a comfortable living in that city?
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Ajarn Miguk



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: TDY As Assigned

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Really? Reply with quote

Zark wrote:

"And, btw, Brit English is the prefered English there."

Really?

Do you have any statistics or other evidence to substantiate this claim, or is it just a "gut feeling" on your part?

I'm asking, as my experience in LOS would cause me to question your assertion. Much as I am doing now.

Over to you.
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Zark



Joined: 12 May 2003
Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Brit vs. Am English in Thailand

Two years of living and teaching in Thailand gives me that notion.

Even if you use no other basis, notice the large number of international schools based on the British curriculum and the comparatively small number of international schools based on the American curriculum.

Of course, I have not gathered data or conducted extensive research to substantiate the claim. Just my opinion.

So, no problem, you may question it.
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Ajarn Miguk



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: TDY As Assigned

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zark wrote:
Re: Brit vs. Am English in Thailand

Two years of living and teaching in Thailand gives me that notion.

Even if you use no other basis, notice the large number of international schools based on the British curriculum and the comparatively small number of international schools based on the American curriculum.

Of course, I have not gathered data or conducted extensive research to substantiate the claim. Just my opinion.

So, no problem, you may question it.


Okay, I'll put my four plus years against your two and still say your claim is tenuous.

For the record, most Thai students do not attend "international schools" and to use such a basis in support of your assertion is arguably disingenuous.

Yes, there are many UK curriculum based schools in Thailand. On the other hand, most of the Thai students who I have run into in Thailand speak English with an American accent.

There is also the question of who is doing the "preferring?" UK curriculum schools�� Students? Thai Teachers? Foreigner Teachers? Parents?

While in the past what you wrote may have been the case in Thailand, it is surely no longer the case. To give the impression to someone that British English is the "preferred English" in Thailand these days is just plain wrong. It may be in certain instances, but the reality is one more often than not encounters Thais speaking English with an American accent.

In the end, does it really matter as long as they are able to communicate effectively? I would hope not.
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Zark



Joined: 12 May 2003
Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, my opinion stands.

And I don�t intend to get into a long diatribe to debate it. Nor do I intend to disparage your opinion by using terminology like �disingenuous,� �just plain wrong� or �tenuous.�

Our experiences, and thus opinions, obviously differ.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my CELTA in Budapest in 1997.. it was US$800.. as opposed to London or San Francisco at that time which was around US$2,500.

It was also really cheap to live there during my CELTA. I played with the idea of staying.. but probably much like Prague, it just wasn't financially any good.

If I were to do it again.. I'd choose Thailand.. close to Korea and also cheap.

But if you are thinking of living and working in Spain.. might be worth the extra money doing the CELTA there if its the same city you want to be in. You can do your networking and job searching at the same time.
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