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Demonicat



Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: the words to say when switching jobs Reply with quote

I'm getting ready to switch jobs. The honest reason is that New job pays a lot better 2.2 V. 2.0 AND has far fewer hours: 6 v 10 (per day). These reasons are not good for explaining to a wonjon why one is leaving however. Anyone have any idea on what to say? I want to leave amicably (and I NEED that Letter of Release- I have 30 days, but I was encouraged to try for less). Helpful suggestions or antecdotes please.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it irrepairably hurt anyone's feelings if you mentioned that your teaching style or discipline style are a better match for the new place, or that their curriculum is more closely aligned to your teaching philosophy?

It doesn't have to be true, does it?
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're giving your 30 days notice, then you're not doing anything wrong. So if your director seems reasonable, and if you must explain why, I would say, "At this new job I only have to work six hours/day and I get paid more money. At your place I work 10 hours/ day. What would you do?" Very Happy Unfortunately, you may be working with an irrational director who cannot see that, but are they not required to give you that letter of release if you give them the proper amount of notice?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was what my boss got yesterday:



Notice of Resignation 18 May, 2005

This is my written notice that I wish to leave my position as English Instructor at Ding Ding Dang in one month.
In exactly thirty (30) days, by 18 June, 2005 I will no longer be working for this institution. I appreciate that this
institution has paid my salary on time and that management has been reasonably polite. However, I will not
work at an institute where children are allowed openly to disrespect and defy teachers. I expect to receive my
letter of release within the next 30 days or legal action will be taken. I hope that we can part on good terms. Best
wishes in finding a replacement.


Sincerely,
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Hagwon Muppet



Joined: 18 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
This was what my boss got yesterday:



Notice of Resignation 18 May, 2005

This is my written notice that I wish to leave my position as English Instructor at Ding Ding Dang in one month.
In exactly thirty (30) days, by 18 June, 2005 I will no longer be working for this institution. I appreciate that this
institution has paid my salary on time and that management has been reasonably polite. However, I will not
work at an institute where children are allowed openly to disrespect and defy teachers. I expect to receive my
letter of release within the next 30 days or legal action will be taken. I hope that we can part on good terms. Best
wishes in finding a replacement.


Sincerely,


What a horrible letter of resignation. Is there any need to be so confrontational??
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the director/owner

My father was involved in a car accident and is seriously hurt. He is in the hospital and I have to go home to be with him. I am giving 30 days notice as you have been so kind I dont want to leave you without a teacher.

I regret that I have to leave and do plan on returning to Korea. I would like to ask for a letter of release so I can return once my father is well. If you would be willing to keep my position at the school open for 2 or 3 months I would be happy to return(Never going to happen they cant wait 2 or 3 months without a teacher)

Thank you for all your kindness and I am sorry for leaving.

Sincerely yours

FULL OF CRAP Wink
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu Bum Suk-
I like your letter of resignation. It's direct and to the point and authoritative. Leaving a job is a confrontational thing to do. Might as well be honest about it. Well done.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagwon Muppet wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
This was what my boss got yesterday:



Notice of Resignation 18 May, 2005

This is my written notice that I wish to leave my position as English Instructor at Ding Ding Dang in one month.
In exactly thirty (30) days, by 18 June, 2005 I will no longer be working for this institution. I appreciate that this
institution has paid my salary on time and that management has been reasonably polite. However, I will not
work at an institute where children are allowed openly to disrespect and defy teachers. I expect to receive my
letter of release within the next 30 days or legal action will be taken. I hope that we can part on good terms. Best
wishes in finding a replacement.


Sincerely,


What a horrible letter of resignation. Is there any need to be so confrontational??


He should know that there are some Westerners who won't put up with kids swearing at them, throwing things at them, scratching them, refusing to do any work whatsoever, and knowing that nothing will ever happen. I put a lot more work into lesson planning than my coworkers and if he doesn't appreciate it after having a meeting and telling the teachers he wants us to be a more 'serious' academy he can go find some Kiwi yob to play games with the kids. Next step if he doesn't handle my leaving professionally I start calling parents. Koreans can go about saving their faces all they want but I call bull shit bull shit.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pollyplummer wrote:
Yu Bum Suk-
I like your letter of resignation. It's direct and to the point and authoritative. Leaving a job is a confrontational thing to do. Might as well be honest about it. Well done.


I disagree. Sometimes you got to do things over here you don't want to do to get what you want. You got to play the game in these situations. From what I know, the boss is under no obligation to give him a release letter. He doesn't have to. So what's this, "I expect you to give me a release letter". I don't think Bum Suk has a leg to stand on.

What you do in Asia is get what you want - the release letter - then let the SOB have it. Then you can turn it on, and tell him what you really think of his wife, his school, his institution, his ajosshi strut, his lazy eye. Burn your bridges then, not before.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*breaks into song*

Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more

I will not get all the pieces
I've been working for
Paper cups, minimum wage
Just walk on out the door
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more
I will not get all the pieces
I've been working for
Paper cups, minimum wage
Just walk on out the door
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more

They'll have you in this factory
From now on for fifty years
All this time I see my woman
Drowning in her tears
I see a lot of people who
Got to have a piece of me
I'd give the shirt right off my back
If I had the nerve to say

Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more
I will not get all the pieces
I've been working for
Paper cups, minimum wage
Just walk on out the door
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more

Let's all go use our sick leave up
And then we'll shoot some pool
Got brand new skinhead hair cuts
You think he's a fool
One of these days I'll blow my top
Or somebody's gonna pay
I'd hate to see the process
As you enter the factory and say

Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more
I won't let that shit bother me
That I've been working for
Paper cups, minimum wage
Just walk on out the door
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more

Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here, ain't working here, ain't working here no more
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animalbirdfish



Joined: 04 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
This was what my boss got yesterday:



Notice of Resignation 18 May, 2005

This is my written notice that I wish to leave my position as English Instructor at Ding Ding Dang in one month.
In exactly thirty (30) days, by 18 June, 2005 I will no longer be working for this institution. I appreciate that this
institution has paid my salary on time and that management has been reasonably polite. However, I will not
work at an institute where children are allowed openly to disrespect and defy teachers. I expect to receive my
letter of release within the next 30 days or legal action will be taken. I hope that we can part on good terms. Best
wishes in finding a replacement.


Sincerely,


Actually, I'd tell them I was quitting because of the ridiculous name of their institute - "Ding Ding Dang" - and that it might do permanent damage to my CV.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu Bum Suk's letter sounded hostile but we'll just have to see what he has to report about the results.

I would go with the curriculum issue, or discuss location issues, something that makes it sound like you're trying to further yourself on. The only way that problems at home would work is if you mention that they're developing and you're worried about it; if you state that something drastic happened and then say you'll wait 30 days it seems like you're not really concerned about the homefront.

My current director knows that I want to leave, but I'll never say the real reasons why I'm leaving if she bothers me to stay. Part on good terms, keep that extra reference, and everyone will be happy, hopefully.
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Cherry Ripe



Joined: 14 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to agree with Grotto. I find Korean employers can be rather vindictive. However, an excuse that means you have to leave the country makes a release letter redundant, doesn't it? What about inventing a fiance(e) who lives in a different town/city: you have to move there because she has to take care of her sick mother...
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
What a horrible letter of resignation. Is there any need to be so confrontational??


Yes.

I like his letter of resignation.

Infact, I would also type-up and print a Letter of Release, so all your boss would have to do is sign it.

If they failed to sign it, I personally would sit in their office and refuse to leave until they DID sign it.

Don't ever give your employer the satisfaction of getting away with violations to YOUR rights as a worker.
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes OH my. I cant believe that I agree with the pinko, but I do. Whole-heartedly. Good idea about making up the letter of release and giving it to him to sign. Inventing a lie to tell them about why you're leaving is cowardly, and I think they may be able to sense that. Approach him with confidence and the truth.

PS. Soviet man... I want to refer to you as Boris from now on. I hope you won't mind. Wink
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