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Hagwon Muppet



Joined: 18 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Gee... one more reason why it's just easier to work illegally.

1. You make a ton more money working 2 PT gigs.

2. The E-2 laws are just too much of a pain in the ass.

This will do almost nothing to solve the problem. Nothing. People will just work illegally under the noses of the immigration people.



Its also easier to steal a car than to work for the money to pay for one. Most people can see thats not the answer though. Even ESL teachers who think they are above the law.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a good analogy at first but then again, you don't have mothers asking you to help them steal cars for their children, or people you meet giving you their card and asking them to perform a little grand theft auto for them.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making the E-2 tougher to get is a good idea if it is backed up by other measures to root out and/or prevent/eliminate illegal teaching.
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Sorry - Reply with quote

Sorry - guys - i didn't want people to argue about this topic -

I did post the topic in good faith - in order to educate/inform people about the new law -

the last thing i wish for is for teachers who are finishing contracts etc - to apply for a new job - and then be hindered by problems - when they are told they have to have the transcripts in unopened - stamped (etc etc) envelopes - which could cause a hassle or just delay their job application for a few weeks - therefore - causing them to NOT GET the job they are applying for.....

NOW I realise this is a STUPID new law - and maybe it will be reversed/scratched in a few months - but just until then.....

if your contract is almost up....

and you're thinking about staying on here... at a different school (etc)

order/etc your new transcripts now... it will save you problems later - at the job interview or at immigration....

sorry i didn't provide you with a web site to confirm what I originally posted... but then HEY - does everyone have to have proof/evidence everytime they say something?

However - It is published on the "Meil Economic Newspaper" website - if anyone knows that website - and can find it..........

Anyway - just get your new "transcripts" ordered if your thinking of changing schools and staying on here -

and please don't argue about whether its a good or bad thing - its the new RULE - so accept it like foreigners here accept many things thrown at us each day - and just take steps to be ready.........


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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep a couple of sealed transcripts on hand, along with "official" degrees. Many jobs (unis in particular) require them. They aren't really expensive. Official transcripts come from my office in a sealed envelope with a stamped piece of tape over the flap.

Keep a file with extras of all of your documents- then you won't be caught with a problem.

I think the real question is whether they will ever check them. For all hogwan teachers, this would take new employees dedicated to this task alone. Not likely.
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dodgybarnet



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Directly above the centre of the earth. On a kickboard.

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Godammit! Do you know how farking hard is was for me to get me transcripts and stuff the first time????

Edinburgh University doesn't supply this stuff easily and it's only a photocopy anyway. Even an 8yr old korean in a PC Bang could make a better looking document. Maybe it's only Scottish Universities, but I think this might be an issue for all Brits.

Stupid regulations - just an knee-jerk reaction by the law courts.
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harryh



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgybarnet wrote:
Godammit! Do you know how farking hard is was for me to get me transcripts and stuff the first time????

Edinburgh University doesn't supply this stuff easily and it's only a photocopy anyway. Even an 8yr old korean in a PC Bang could make a better looking document. Maybe it's only Scottish Universities, but I think this might be an issue for all Brits.

Stupid regulations - just an knee-jerk reaction by the law courts.


I managed to get transcripts from Brunel University, but the registrar told me that it is the policy of the University not to seal them FULL STOP.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgill seals and stamps theirs and you can order as many as you want, though it is a good idea to get them sent to you parents first as they charge a lot to send them overseas.

i do think that the whole e2 visa process needs to be overhauled though.
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jazblanc77



Joined: 22 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you post a link that says that this is the way it is going to be? Did you read it somewhere... a newspaper maybe? Why haven't more of us heard about it?

I don't mean to be skeptical but, this is probably just your director trying to satisfy his own curiousities and the parants' demands, as a result of the SBS scandal. Too many times. I've been told about the rules at the immigration, tax, education, and other offices, by my director, only to find out that he was trying to jerk me around, again, when I contacted the appropriate office myself and got the real scoop.


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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this for those renewing their visas?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazblanc77 wrote:
Could you post a link that says that this is the way it is going to be? Did you read it somewhere... a newspaper maybe? Why haven't more of us heard about it?

I don't mean to be skeptical but, this is probably just your director trying to satisfy his own curiousities and the parants' demands, as a result of the SBS scandal. Too many times. I've been told about the rules at the immigration, tax, education, and other offices, by my director, only to find out that he was trying to jerk me around, again, when I contacted the appropriate office myself and got the real scoop.


I've been granted four E-2 visa's without a transcript in the last five years. Last month I went through the new E-2 process and they (immigration) insisted repeatedly on a transcript. My director was definitely not behind this!! It's immigration knee-jerking to the SBS "documentary".

Don't doubt it. For now, they require a transcript. Has a teacher on this thread said otherwise?
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skimilk



Joined: 18 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: NEW Immigration LAWS Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
As of Monday 16th May - Immmigration has a new LAW (Thanks to the recent SBS TV programs and the 3 teachers caught with fake degrees) - and many complaints from the Korean public......

The new law requires ANY teacher wishing to obtain an E2 VISA - that they CANNOT be given a visa unless they have their contract, degree, passport, photos, etc - BUT ALSO the "Official Academic Transcripts " - accompanied with University CONTACT Details (Phone number etc) (to verify) that must STILL BE in the teachers "UNOPENED UNIVERSITY ENVELOPE" that bears the stamps of the teachers university on the front/back of the envelopes - and the envelope is not to have been opened in any way.

Basically - this will cause a great inconvenience/annoyance to many teachers - because ALL E2 visa's - now require this.

Just a warning - start writing to your university now - to get these documents - and DO NOT OPEN the envelope when it arrives......

If you're planning on working at several schools in the near future with an E2 visa - then request many from your University.....


What's the big deal? Any grad school and internship I've applied in the U.S asked for exactly the same thing... the official transcript in a sealed university envelope.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's a big deal. My university supplies them for $4.00 Cdn. per copy. If yours doesn't, you obviously went to a crap school and should be shot in a football stadium.
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tomwaits



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
Location: PC Bong

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a credit card you can pay by fax and have transcripts here in 2-3 days. I also thought they were always sealed---sort of the point of them.

Only different thing here is the contact number. What I wonder is this/ / ?
A fake degree can come with fake papers and a fake verification number. Will the scholars at Immigration figure this out.?

my manager claims Imm think half the degrees are fake which seems ridiculous. Anyway not for me to flaunt the law but.......temping seems a better life here than spending a year in some of these abysmal schools/
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jazblanc77



Joined: 22 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
I don't think it's a big deal. My university supplies them for $4.00 Cdn. per copy. If yours doesn't, you obviously went to a crap school and should be shot in a football stadium.


Mine charges $40 cdn. It kind of makes the possibility of keeping a load on hand, as suggested by Desultude, difficult. I think it's expensive because of the way they seal the envelope and send it (security sealed and shipped by fedex). Though, I'm not sure that the price of a transcript has anything to do with the quality of your university. Rolling Eyes
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