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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: 3 year degree |
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e.. Degree: Middle Eastern countries generally require a degree. Korea requires that you have a 3-year degree in order to obtain a work visa, and Japan requires a degree for full-time employment, but you are able to find part-time and tutoring positions which do not require a degree, as well as study/work visas for people under certain ages without a degree. Outside of these countries and a few others, a degree is not required but may be recommended. People with degrees may receive more pay and/or better contracts, but due to the global shortage for teachers, many Global TESOL graduates have gotten hired without one.
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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In Australia and New Zealand we don't do 4 year degrees but only 3 years.....
So there was a problem when immigration decided only to use 4 year degrees here as Australians and New Zealanders couldn't get an E2 so they changed the wording....
Basically it should just say university degree... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: 3 year degree |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
Canada has 3 kinds of BAs. A 3 year BA, a 4 year BA, and a 4 year BA with honors (grad school track). Many other nations don't recognize the 3 year BA as a legit BA. I believe years ago the Korean government changed the law to required a 4 year BA and hagwons found it nearly impossible to hire teachers. The law was quickly changed. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well, there are some 4 year degrees in nz... Mine is a 3 year degree but it took me four years beacuse I changed to a double major in my last year... anyway when i explained this they said it was sufficient for a 4 year degree because I spent 4 years at university. Interesting considering the fact that if I had decided to double major in my first year it still would have only taken 3 years.
I think their point is that a 3 year diploma is not good enough - it has to be a degree. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: 3 year degree |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
e.. Degree: Middle Eastern countries generally require a degree. Korea requires that you have a 3-year degree in order to obtain a work visa, and Japan requires a degree for full-time employment, but you are able to find part-time and tutoring positions which do not require a degree, as well as study/work visas for people under certain ages without a degree. Outside of these countries and a few others, a degree is not required but may be recommended. People with degrees may receive more pay and/or better contracts, but due to the global shortage for teachers, many Global TESOL graduates have gotten hired without one.
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
In Britain, Aus and NZ, and maybe other countries, it's standard to do a 3 year degree.
In Britain, students go to Uni one year later than US students, and have already specialised in their A levels (usually, student specialise in 3 subjects). A levels are the equivalent of the US high school diploma. So, according to my understanding, Brit students are already at a more advanced starting point in their first year at uni than their US cousins. It's like they go in at sophomore level, rather than freshman level. So, it' not like their degrees are only 75% of a US degree or anything like that. But Koreans didn't understand this, as their system follows the US model.
Also, don't US students get longer vacations between their semesters? (That was my understanding, please correct me if I'm mistaken. ) In which case, 3 Brit school years would probably be equivalent to 4 yank school years. |
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turtlepi1

Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: 3 year degree |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
fiveeagles wrote: |
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
Canada has 3 kinds of BAs. A 3 year BA, a 4 year BA, and a 4 year BA with honors (grad school track). Many other nations don't recognize the 3 year BA as a legit BA. I believe years ago the Korean government changed the law to required a 4 year BA and hagwons found it nearly impossible to hire teachers. The law was quickly changed. |
The three-year BA in Canada has gone the way of the dodo bird, I believe.
But yes, we had a 3 year degree. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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New Zealand (and australia) have a bizzare system
3 year 'general degrees' eg BA, BSc, BCom
4 year 'progessional degrees' Law, Engineering, Pharamcy, medicine (well actually 6 years for medicine) etc.
4/5 year 'honours degrees' 1 year of grad school attached to the end of most bachelors degrees
Conjoint degrees of various lengths.
I have two degrees, a BA and then a BA Honours. Korean immigration accepted both, though it kind of weirded them out a bit |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Are there not 2-year community college "degrees" in USA? Are they the target of the 3 year rule? |
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Used to be that 3-year BAs were "Majors", 4-year degrees were either "Advanced Majors" or "Honours" at my uni. I checked through their current calendar and they do seem to lead off with the 20-credit/4-year programmes but there is still a reference to 15-credit/3-year degrees there. Perhaps that's only for upgrading purposes.
If I remember correctly, when the 4-year degree rule was brought in, they still planned on allowing 3-year degrees if it was in English, or if you were already teaching and just seeking a renewal of your work visa. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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In Quebec, we do 5 years of high school, 2 years of Cegep (College d'Enseignement General et Professionel) and 3 years of University. 5+2+3=10 years
In Ontario & other provinces in Canada (correct me if I'm wrong), they do 6 years of high school (or junior high + high school) and 4 years of University. 6+4=10 years
I think it's the same (as Ontario) in the States.
I also did a double major in university in Quebec which took me 4 and a half years only because I was also working full-time at the time. Instead of taking the maximum 5 courses per semester, I took 4.
In retrospect, I'm happy it shows more than 3 years of study on my transcript, just for this stupid Immigration rule. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Hanson wrote: |
In Quebec, we do 5 years of high school, 2 years of Cegep (College d'Enseignement General et Professionel) and 3 years of University. 5+2+3=10 years |
I went to grade 7 in Quebec and then grade 8 in Ontario. Grade 7 is high school level in Quebec. Grade 8 was still elementary school. That was a most bizarre experience. One year you're in high school, the next year you're busted down to grade school. I could have easily skipped a year, gone from 7 to 9. The Quebec system was actually about a year ahead of Ontario. However, I was very small for my age and my mother thought I would be totally freaked out by jumping up a year. Grade 8 was basically a repeat of Grade 7 in Quebec, except English in Quebec was more advanced. I couldn't believe in Grade 8 Ontario kids were just starting to learn what an adverb is...
I went to the same high school in Quebec as Montreal Massacre guy Mark Lepine. We were even in school the same year (1978/79). I never actually saw him. The school was huge and divided into the English side and the French side. I was on the English side. He was in the ghetto French side. |
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Koreabound2004
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: Re: 3 year degree |
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turtlepi1 wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
fiveeagles wrote: |
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
Canada has 3 kinds of BAs. A 3 year BA, a 4 year BA, and a 4 year BA with honors (grad school track). Many other nations don't recognize the 3 year BA as a legit BA. I believe years ago the Korean government changed the law to required a 4 year BA and hagwons found it nearly impossible to hire teachers. The law was quickly changed. |
The three-year BA in Canada has gone the way of the dodo bird, I believe.
But yes, we had a 3 year degree. |
Not sure what is meant by this....dodo bird=extinction? 3 year degrees are still quite common in Canada....and recognized worldwide. Never had any problems coming to Korea. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: Re: 3 year degree |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
What's a 3 year degree? A 4 year degree done in 3 years? Or 3 years of university? |
A 3 year degree is a degree that would normally take 3 years to complete if studying full time. If you work super hard and finish a 4 year degree in 3 years - it is still a 4 year degree. In the same sense, if it took you 6 years - it is still a 3 year degree.....
sounds very confusing! |
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hanson wrote: |
In retrospect, I'm happy it shows more than 3 years of study on my transcript, just for this stupid Immigration rule. |
That settles it... I'm going to market myself as having a five-year degree.  |
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