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New max 3-year teaching stint at Universities.....?
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: ha Reply with quote

my university told me I could stay for 15 years
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Intrepid



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:09 pm    Post subject: 3-year, etc Reply with quote

I think the law is that after the three years the university must "upgrade" you. If dismissal were the actual law all universities would be implementing it.
I was at Konkuk University in Seoul and saw the clause in the contract I signed in 11.2003. I was told by the English department that it wouldn't be applied; later, they told me it would be applied and I left (the fact that student evaluations were the only other lever of hiring control did contribute to my decision, as it's hard to give a "B" when someone turns in a plagiarized paper; not giving that "B," of course, makes one wildly unpopular and subject to low evals).
It was a great job--I wish I hadn't felt compelled to leave.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT
Period of Contract: One (1) year, with the possibility of renewal(s) three times at the end of the contract.
Basic Salary: 1,941,600 won per month excluding overtime payment
General class time is from Monday to Friday.
15 class hours per week during the 16-week regular semesters
Total 60 hours during summer and winter session respectively.
From the Job board
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=16212
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slothrop



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: edit Reply with quote

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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me, or are the working conditions at the former "safe bet", good places to work in Korea, like universities and public schools, been going down hill fast in the last few years?

Shorter vacations, stagnant pay-scales, lower raises, etc. And now this.

Korea is fast becoming a less attractive place to teach English.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:

Korea is fast becoming a less attractive place to teach English.


I think the market's maturing. In most of the world, EFL is a low value, low wage job. I think Korea is going the way of Japan, where wages will stay the same for 15 years while inflation and cost of living eats away at your savings potential.

Oh well. There's always China.
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My uni offers three years, with the possibility of another three years, provided all parties agree. ( I assume that the second three-year-deal brings one back to square one, with no additional benefits.) This place is notoriously cheap; they won't even pay for the visa run.
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prosodic



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
Geez...I'm glad that that EFL-Law guy doesn't teach English!! Laughing


He does. Smile
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just out of curiosity, do you guys work in a National or Private University? Question goes out to Zark, Park mi-car, Hanson, etc and all others who have the 3 yr "rule" talk being implemented at your University.

Private or Public University?


Private Uni... But we haven't heard anything about this 3-year/5-year rule being implemented by our uni. Again, one guy I work with has been there 9 or 10 years, no signs of leaving... Others have been there 6 or 7 years, still going strong. I'm the newbie there, finishing my 1st year.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke with my director about the new 3-year "law" and he said that until they get an official mandate from the government, things will remain the same. People pretty much stay as long as they want...I've been here for 5 years and of all the teachers who have come and gone only 2 left because the school didn't renew their contract. BTW, I work at a private uni in the middle of no-where. I checked my contract, and I was actually hired by the university president, NOT the university...perhaps this is a way around the law!
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different



Joined: 22 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the governement make the 3-year rule a law? How is that for the good of Korean society?

Also, the quote from the EFL Law guy (in crazylemongirl's post) says that the government is thinking of making it harder to get an E-2, perhaps by requiring higher degrees and Korean language tests. That would reduce the number of foreign teachers here at least 80% and couldn't be good for the English ability of Korea. The gain in teacher quality wouldn't be worth the loss in quantity.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Park mi-car wrote:

Agreed but....The original (gov't) intention was to improve the lot of foreign university teachers by giving extra benifits to people who have more than 3 years service at one place.

It's the "universities" that want to avoid implementing it as it would cost them more money.


THIS is why! It's one of those things that sounds good on paper, but just doesn't work in the real world.
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different



Joined: 22 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought people here were saying that the government might require universities to limit a foreign instructor's time to 3 years (that's what I meant when I said "3-year rule"). Is that the case?

Actually I'm more concerned about laws making an E-2 more difficult to get. Does anyone have any specific information about that?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm more concerned about laws making an E-2 more difficult to get. Does anyone have any specific information about that?



Apparently, they say that sealed transcripts are required to get a job. That is a big headache since it involves money and time.

And in another thread here, someone was mentioning about E-2s being denied for people living in the French-speaking Canadian east.

I am more concerned about the crackdown that begins on Wednesday. How are they going to go about doing that one?

I think that after a year or so, after so many people have left because of all this, they MIGHT (I repeat, might...not will) relax the rules abit to allow more people to come.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And in another thread here, someone was mentioning about E-2s being denied for people living in the French-speaking Canadian east.


Would people stop giving this credibility by repeating it, please? It's total crap.
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