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Real Reality
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 Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: N. Korea denounces United States for human rights abuses |
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NK denounces United States for religious and human rights abuses
North Korea on Sunday criticized the United States for "religious blasphemies and human rights abuses" in the U.S.' mishandling of the Koran and for allowing the publication of pictures showing an imprisoned Saddam Hussein.
"The United States is the very "outpost of tyranny" that ill-treats war prisoners and abuses religious peoples," according to the North Korean Web site "Uriminzokkiri."
Yonhap News (May 29, 2005)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050529/610000000020050529162814E8.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| They have every right. It's like when the TV preacher gets caught in a financial scam or sex scandal. If you are going to preach to others, you need to make sure your own behavior is beyond reproach. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:59 am Post subject: yes |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| They have every right. It's like when the TV preacher gets caught in a financial scam or sex scandal. If you are going to preach to others, you need to make sure your own behavior is beyond reproach. |
Is any country in the world beyond reproach?
If KJI gave himself the firing squad for his own sins, then NK would have some room to talk.
Until then YOU FUCKING BUCK TOOTHED IMPOTENT INSECURE SON OF A BITCH MIDGET shut up!!! And have a nice day Mr. Kim. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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It's not unusual for P.O.W.s to get abused or killed. It's happened in virtually every war throughout history. That doesn't excuse the behavior, but the prisoner abuse incidents should be placed into perspective.
It's laughable to make a comparison between the U.S.'s human rights record and North Korea's. There is no comparison. We have the freedom to complain about our government. In North Korea complaining puts you in a concentration camp. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: N. Korea denounces United States for human rights abuses |
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Heh. North Korea is wacked! As if they're the outpost of human rights and religious tolerance.  |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well, had the Koran not been "malhandled" and had prisoners at GT and AG not been abused, the door would not have been opened to such claims, would it?
This shows that whenn setting oneself up as a paragon of all that is fair and reasonable, when one is shown to be less than fair and reasonable, the moral high ground is lost.
For that to be pointed out by a state like NK must be all the more galling. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well, funny when you consider the fact the greatest blasphemy may that North Koreans' idea of a living-god is a fat little man with a bouffant hairdo.
Maybe they need to read this:
http://www.mythweb.com/hercules/index.html
What would be the 12 labours of Kim Jong Il?
1. Was born on Mount Beakdu on the NK/China border while his mother was in Russia.
2. Shot several holes-in-one at is first try at golf...
(Feel free to complete the list) |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
Well, had the Koran not been "malhandled" and had prisoners at GT and AG not been abused, the door would not have been opened to such claims, would it?
This shows that when setting oneself up as a paragon of all that is fair and reasonable, when one is shown to be less than fair and reasonable, the moral high ground is lost.
For that to be pointed out by a state like NK must be all the more galling. |
The United States is also held to a higher standard than any other nation.
Aside from some documented cases of abuse which triggered investigations, court marshals and worse, our treatment of enemy combatant prisoners at Gitmo is better than how many developed and semi-developed countries treat civilians in their own prison systems. (Japan, for example, treats its prison population pretty harshly.)
We're under a microscope and sailing through uncharted waters in how to handle large numbers of extra-national terrorists. Many of these enemy combatant prisoners cannot be released to another country because they are not P.O.W.s as defined by the Geneva Convention and because they would simply revert to terrorist attacks against the U.S. and its allies. What are we supposed to do with them? We provide Muslims (for example) with a Muslim diet, but I don't think were required to provide combatants with a country club-like environment. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| NK has 100% literacy, zero unemployment and they've eliminated race discrimination. Can the USA boast that? |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Bibles get burnt in the Muslim world everyday. You don't see Christians up in arms protesting and killing people. Rational thinking is needed.
You are right. The United States is held to a higher moral standard than other countries. Muslim terrorists certainly don't play by the rules.
I am not excusing the United States for any bad things they have done or may have done but North Korea criticizing them is pathetic at best. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Many of these enemy combatant prisoners cannot be released to another country because they are not P.O.W.s as defined by the Geneva Convention |
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| and because they would simply revert to terrorist attacks against the U.S. and its allies. |
oh yes...but wasn't that whole "POW" fiasco, a bit of a blow up? Wasn't their the whole question of whether many of these people were actually POWs?
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| We provide Muslims (for example) with a Muslim diet, but I don't think were required to provide combatants with a country club-like environment. |
ooo...i bet they're looking forward to nude twister again
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| The United States is also held to a higher standard than any other nation. |
If "the US" would just say, "listen...*beep* freedom. We're gonna do what we have to do" I think that they'd hear less bitching regarding the "lack of freedom" in the states.
It seems a big chunk of complaining regarding the US (and strangely, to it's little brother canada as well) is about the hypocracy of what they claim to be, and what they actually are.
But what I LOVE about that is that it's a lot of americans complaining about canada, and a lot of canadians complaining about america.
ahhhh...you gotta love that. |
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chance2005
Joined: 03 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
Well, had the Koran not been "malhandled" and had prisoners at GT and AG not been abused, the door would not have been opened to such claims, would it?
This shows that whenn setting oneself up as a paragon of all that is fair and reasonable, when one is shown to be less than fair and reasonable, the moral high ground is lost.
For that to be pointed out by a state like NK must be all the more galling. |
There is so much BS propaganda coming from all nations, not just the U.S.. North Korea has been coming up with so much ridiculous blather since the 1950's that it is not particularly galling when they point to actual U.S. short-comings. It is not galling because most North Korean commentary is so silly that I don't think anyone looks at it in any seriousness. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Bibles get burnt in the Muslim world everyday. You don't see Christians up in arms protesting and killing people. Rational thinking is needed.
You are right. The United States is held to a higher moral standard than other countries. Muslim terrorists certainly don't play by the rules.
I am not excusing the United States for any bad things they have done or may have done but North Korea criticizing them is pathetic at best. |
Well, when someone claims the high-moral ground they should expect to be held to higher moral standards.
Case in point, the whole cult based around the American monopoly on freedom. Okay, I understand how the US is a republic, yadda yadda yadda. But, it's getting a bit out of hand when you elect a moron who says things like "They hate us because of our freedom."
I was looking at a reading comprehension book made for American school kids and one question about Memorial Day was "Why did American soldiers fight in wars?" The correct answer according to the answer key wasn't A ("because of money"), but B ("to keep our country free"). I can imagine Panamanians plotting to overthrow the American government. Good thing you got them first, otherwise every American male would have been forced to wear panama hats and sip rum out of coconuts. I would have been a terrible tragedy...well, maybe not if the Star Sprangled Banner was replaced by Van Halen's "Panama". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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"They hate us because of our freedom."
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Are you saying that the radicals don't hate the West for its life-style? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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"They hate us because of our freedom."
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Are you saying that the radicals don't hate the West for its life-style? |
Well, define "the West". They sure don't hate Norway or Sweden. |
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