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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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 Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: A unique idea (for military service) |
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I was chatting with one of my younger students the other day (22) and we started talking about the required military service for Korean males. She said "it's not fair that korean men have to sacrifice that much time while the girls do not have to". I reminded her that she was free to enlist in a "womens corps" if she wanted to. She said "NO" but came up with this idea;
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I think they should have mandatory "volunteer" service for all Korean girls. Korean girls do not have to do military service be cause they are often deemed too fragile. Well, maybe they can't fight but they sure can do other things! They can help the society just as much as the men, just in different ways.
Also, as men can defer their time while in school, women should be able to do that too! Actually, one other solution could be to allow women to get out of the "service" if they have a baby. One baby equals one year off of the service. If they have two then they do not have to serve their 24 months.
That way, we can have quality of the sexes AND increase the birthrate! |
When she started telling me about this idea I immediatly starting looking for holes in it. Then, I just sat there and listened to her train of thought. Quite interesting. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of men of draft age, do civil service instead of military already. I know men who've served at the post office, the police force, trash picking on the highway, and at schools ( as handymen/ copyboys). If women also went in for service, I bet they'd be able to reduce the length of time that each individual serves.
then again- who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service.  |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of men of draft age, do civil service instead of military already. I know men who've served at the post office, the police force, trash picking on the highway, and at schools ( as handymen/ copyboys). If women also went in for service, I bet they'd be able to reduce the length of time that each individual serves.
then again- who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service. |
may I nomiate our own Hwajangsil ajumma?
I think the original idea is pretty out-there, but hard to find fault with. Anything to improve "quality of the sexes" is fine by me. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of men of draft age, do civil service instead of military already. I know men who've served at the post office, the police force, trash picking on the highway, and at schools ( as handymen/ copyboys). If women also went in for service, I bet they'd be able to reduce the length of time that each individual serves.
then again- who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service. |
may I nomiate our own Hwajangsil ajumma?
I think the original idea is pretty out-there, but hard to find fault with. Anything to improve "quality of the sexes" is fine by me. |
I'd like to improve quality of sexes too......... |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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then again- who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service. |
first of all all the dog ugly ones would still be able to do it... and why is it so bad for girls to make a choice to work in a place like that?? At alot of the places there is nothing sexual whatsoever, and some of these girls make 10 million a month. |
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Hwajangsil Ajumma
Joined: 02 May 2005
Location: On my knees in the stall
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service. |
may I nomiate our own Hwajangsil ajumma?
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I already offer my ministrations to the tired ajosshis in my neighbourhood. I may look like a wrinkled old ����-���� hag/camp buck-toothed English public schoolboy, but these ajosshis are really dirty and you'd be sickened at the kind of things they want. It takes an old pro like me to deal with these guys, not some sweet young girl whose idea of foreplay is a ddong-chimm.
I love it. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I've been suggesting this idea to my students for a long time now. Given the choice of teaching guys before their military service or after, I'd choose after...hands down! They're more mature, more focused. Now, if only I could get my princesses on the same level! Even 1 year of madatory community service (including living away from home, in dorms, waking up at 6 am, following orders, no make-up, no fashionable clothes) would do wonders for them!
Most of the guys who are doing community service do it because they aren't physically fit enough for the "regular" army service. I know that they have to serve for more than the usual 2 years though...maybe 2 1/2? |
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meagicano
Joined: 02 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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I've been saying this for a while. I think it would do a lot for the girls around here!
People doing non-military service work have to do it for at least 2.5, I believe. KATUSAs also have to do it for 2.5 years- they're Koreans who are working as part of an American military unit. Cushy jobs. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: |
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then again- who'd serve the businessmen fruit and whiskey at the room salons if all the young women were off doing civil service. |
first of all all the dog ugly ones would still be able to do it... and why is it so bad for girls to make a choice to work in a place like that?? At alot of the places there is nothing sexual whatsoever, and some of these girls make 10 million a month. |
ummmm. . What? My point was that women probably would be doing some kind of civil service if the powers that be didn't think that way. I never said anything about the women working there, though I find the room salon industry rather creepy. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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not sure if thats a civil service though  |
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peppermint
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| huh? My point was that it's probably part of the reason that women DON"T have to do civil service. |
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Gord
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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The biggest flaw I see if the age issue. What is the cutoff? 40? 35? 30? 25? If a young age is forced, then you are removing a lot of women at the start of their careers into a multi-year commitment of raising children which far outweighs a man's conscription period and reducing their positive influence on the economy. And who pays for this? Anything less than total and complete state support equals a financial punishment. And if the punishment pushes a woman into poverty, the children she raises are more likely to be a hinderance to society than that of a well-off family. As well, younger women tend to be less prepared at being mothers than older women.
If you wait until they are older, you are going to be pulling out a lot of career women into jobs unrelated to their field of expertise and dragging down their ability to compete in the future.
It's just a complete no-win situtation. Plus, the whole "have babies or we'll punish you!" strikes me as being very backwards. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: A unique idea (for military service) |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I was chatting with one of my younger students the other day (22) and we started talking about the required military service for Korean males. She said "it's not fair that korean men have to sacrifice that much time while the girls do not have to". I reminded her that she was free to enlist in a "womens corps" if she wanted to. She said "NO" but came up with this idea;
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I think they should have mandatory "volunteer" service for all Korean girls. Korean girls do not have to do military service be cause they are often deemed too fragile. Well, maybe they can't fight but they sure can do other things! They can help the society just as much as the men, just in different ways.
Also, as men can defer their time while in school, women should be able to do that too! Actually, one other solution could be to allow women to get out of the "service" if they have a baby. One baby equals one year off of the service. If they have two then they do not have to serve their 24 months.
That way, we can have quality of the sexes AND increase the birthrate! |
When she started telling me about this idea I immediatly starting looking for holes in it. Then, I just sat there and listened to her train of thought. Quite interesting. |
It also used to be argued in the west that women could not be firefighters, police officers or industrial workers because they were too fragile...until they started designing things like air packs (for firefighters) kevlar vests (for police officers), etc., to fit the female physique. There's no reason why the same can't be done for military equipment.
Personally, I think the issue of whether or not there should be compulsory military service for females is a social one, not a logistical one. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a terrible idea. Who will be left to dance outside new GS25s? |
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