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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Haha, good one Guru  |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
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| I think we'll likely see stuff like when the director goes to immigration with the teacher, and the director makes a huge stink, like 'his university says that it will take 4-6 weeks for the transcripts to be mailed here, DO YOU WANT TO JEOPARDIZE MY BUSINESS!!! RAWR! RAWR!'... |
There's no reason why a transcript should take longer than two weeks to arrive if expedited mailing is used.
If you went to some obscure, *beep* school that treats its alumni shabbily by taking weeks to process a transcript request, then you'll have to plan in advance and put aside some sealed transcripts. |
Maybe you misunderstand my example. I'm not talking about the teacher's story. Nor realistic turnaround times for registrar offices sending out transcripts. The scenario that I described is the story that an impatient director will be spinning to immigration to expedite the process, if he only has the degree with him, or if the young, attractive teacher that he really wants, cannot come up with a transcript in short order(ie., has a fake degree). |
This is more complicated than a simple traffic stop. It takes time to process a work permit, there's a paper trail and more than one person handles the file. Do you really think that bribing one person will fix the problem of a missing transcript? |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| I think we'll likely see stuff like when the director goes to immigration with the teacher, and the director makes a huge stink, like 'his university says that it will take 4-6 weeks for the transcripts to be mailed here, DO YOU WANT TO JEOPARDIZE MY BUSINESS!!! RAWR! RAWR!'... |
There's no reason why a transcript should take longer than two weeks to arrive if expedited mailing is used.
If you went to some obscure, *beep* school that treats its alumni shabbily by taking weeks to process a transcript request, then you'll have to plan in advance and put aside some sealed transcripts. |
Maybe you misunderstand my example. I'm not talking about the teacher's story. Nor realistic turnaround times for registrar offices sending out transcripts. The scenario that I described is the story that an impatient director will be spinning to immigration to expedite the process, if he only has the degree with him, or if the young, attractive teacher that he really wants, cannot come up with a transcript in short order(ie., has a fake degree). |
This is more complicated than a simple traffic stop. It takes time to process a work permit, there's a paper trail and more than one person handles the file. Do you really think that bribing one person will fix the problem of a missing transcript? |
I wasn't talking about bribing in this particular example. I know that you're a smart guy, so I'm confused over why you decided to come in swinging to what was a healthy exchange of ideas between me and others and then you proceeded to keep stepping over my point. Unless this is about male gratification of trying to create and win an argument tangent veering off of my core point, so you can make yourself feel like you've won something. If that's the case, then by all means, you can have it, because I'm alright. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm curious (as are probably XYZ amount of directors and recruiters are doing right now) about where in this modified process is going to be the opening for the bribe. There's no way in hell that directors, en masse, are going to give up monthly profit margin to make more tolerable class schedules, better provided living conditions, and salaries, without first considering the token bribe of a few hundred thousand Won to put a visa process in motion, that will only need to get done, once a year. |
I've posted alot on immigration-related topics and the effect the crackdown will have on our lives. I'm motivated to seek the truth. That should be the aim of any serious discussion on important issues. I was responding (in part) to the post above where you speculated about the possibility of hagwon owners bribing immigration officials to evade the new rules. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| I'm curious (as are probably XYZ amount of directors and recruiters are doing right now) about where in this modified process is going to be the opening for the bribe. There's no way in hell that directors, en masse, are going to give up monthly profit margin to make more tolerable class schedules, better provided living conditions, and salaries, without first considering the token bribe of a few hundred thousand Won to put a visa process in motion, that will only need to get done, once a year. |
I've posted alot on immigration-related topics and the effect the crackdown will have on our lives. I'm motivated to seek the truth. That should be the aim of any serious discussion on important issues. I was responding (in part) to the post above where you speculated about the possibility of hagwon owners bribing immigration officials to evade the new rules. |
'In part', he says. That fumbling back-pedal doesn't explain why you chose to go after my other unrelated scenario, where you decided to approach it with a snide shot unrelated to my point, about transcript turnaround, and then after I corrected you on the oversight, you decided to disengage from that angle and re-engage me from a different approach. You're looking for a fight and doing a crap job at disguising it under the guise of 'seeking the truth'. Go play a video game or something, as watching you work so hard to set up an artificial environment here for you to try to 'win' something, is starting to depress me to the point that I'm beginning to feel the need to volunteer at orphanages and homeless shelters. Take the last word and whatever win you build into it for yourself, I'm going off to watch paint dry. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| I'm curious (as are probably XYZ amount of directors and recruiters are doing right now) about where in this modified process is going to be the opening for the bribe. There's no way in hell that directors, en masse, are going to give up monthly profit margin to make more tolerable class schedules, better provided living conditions, and salaries, without first considering the token bribe of a few hundred thousand Won to put a visa process in motion, that will only need to get done, once a year. |
I've posted alot on immigration-related topics and the effect the crackdown will have on our lives. I'm motivated to seek the truth. That should be the aim of any serious discussion on important issues. I was responding (in part) to the post above where you speculated about the possibility of hagwon owners bribing immigration officials to evade the new rules. |
'In part', he says. That fumbling back-pedal doesn't explain why you chose to go after my other unrelated scenario, where you decided to approach it with a snide shot unrelated to my point, about transcript turnaround, and then after I corrected you on the oversight, you decided to disengage from that angle and re-engage me from a different approach. You're looking for a fight and doing a crap job at disguising it under the guise of 'seeking the truth'. Go play a video game or something, as watching you work so hard to set up an artificial environment here for you to try to 'win' something, is starting to depress me to the point that I'm beginning to feel the need to volunteer at orphanages and homeless shelters. Take the last word and whatever win you build into it for yourself, I'm going off to watch paint dry. |
My post was in response to your post arguing that hagwon owners would now be motivated to bribe immigration officials. I believe it would be impractical because it would require bribing multiple officials. If you wish to argue this point then do so, but it's bad form to make ad hominem attacks and impugn the motives of someone who is politely arguing an issue with you. (BTW, I'm lost when you say that two posts suggesting hagwon owners will now be motivated to persuade immigration officials to break the rules are unrelated.) |
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harryh
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Just a question about transcripts.
I'm leaving korea later this month, but wish to get another teaching job in or around September, so I'd like to do some forward planning.
I'm about to contact my university in order to get some more transcripts. When it is said that transcripts have to be sealed (in an envelope?), who should they be addressed to? My home address in the UK, or a specific immigration office in korea, once a job has been offered?
Another thought, I wonder if anybody knows if notorized copies are acceptable?
For example, go back to the London Chamber of Commerce to get them notorized (like I did for my degree three years ago). Then, take the notorized copies to the Korean Embassy in London to get them done there. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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HarryH
I just called the immigration office (it was like pulling teeth out of my arze) and they said they need to see the originals of everything.
I think this is the end of the easy days of ESL in Korea.
I'm going to stop posting about this topic because it is like beating a dead horse to death, but I'm going to say this....
True education is how a person uses their mind, it shouldn't be counted on a piece of paper. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha! A degree only requires sitting around in the classroom for 4 - 6 hours? How about homework, exams, tuition and the money you could have made while attending those useless classes. I think you went to an easy university if that was the case. I remember studying for hours on end, class was just as hard, writing notes at a feverish pace, while having to come up with on the spot answers for participation marks. If you don't value your degree, get a real education at a real university. |
Right. My first degree was in Science. Springbreak? What's that? I had to spend the whole week doing research. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: |
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I would like to say this...
"Only the uneducated say that education is worthless". |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I believed sealed transcripts means notarized plus sealed separately inside an official school envelope, however I'm not sure what size envelope that entails.
Seems pretty insane but that's what it's boiling down to. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I believed sealed transcripts means notarized plus sealed separately inside an official school envelope, however I'm not sure what size envelope that entails.
Seems pretty insane but that's what it's boiling down to. |
I'm guessing that you meant to say the transcript should bear the school's official stamp etc. and be sealed in their envelope. Of course, the transcript wouldn't be notarized. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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HarryH
I just called the immigration office (it was like pulling teeth out of my arze) and they said they need to see the originals of everything.
I think this is the end of the easy days of ESL in Korea.
I'm going to stop posting about this topic because it is like beating a dead horse to death, but I'm going to say this....
True education is how a person uses their mind, it shouldn't be counted on a piece of paper. |
The piece of paper is evidence of education and (hopefully) the capacity to learn, but (of course) there are plenty of bright, successful people who never earned a degree. Bill Gates for example dropped out of Harvard. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see how getting a sealed transcript is such a big deal. Sure it may be an incovenieince and cost a few more bucks but it's nothing in the grand scheme of things. I got mine delivered to me in 5 days. I ordered three and paid for the express service. I don't see how this is the end of the easy days teaching ESL in Korea. All in all it was $52 Canadian and did not have to leave the comfort of my own apartment to get them. BTW the university used DHL to courier them to Korea. |
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kimchikowboy
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see how getting a sealed transcript is such a big deal. |
Actually, odd that no one has mentioned the teachers here who couldn't do this because they are behind or have defaulted on student loan payments. At least in the US, these people can't get transcripts from their unis. |
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