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dogbert
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
"AmeriKa" , funny by a poster who supports the pro Klan American Free Press.
No credibility.
The American Free Press are Klansman - for real. So are Al Qaida. |
You support sacrificing American lives for mythical WMD's.
You also support unlimited immigration to the U.S.
What credibility do YOU have? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto
Real life Klansman. like his supporters. |
Do you not realize that these people have zero influence? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
"AmeriKa" , funny by a poster who supports the pro Klan American Free Press.
No credibility.
The American Free Press are Klansman - for real. So are Al Qaida. |
You support sacrificing American lives for mythical WMD's.
You also support unlimited immigration to the U.S.
What credibility do YOU have? |
I don't support unlimited immigration to the US.
I don't wan't economic refugees. I do think the US can use talented immigrants.
You follow those who wanted to cut immigration, which means no Einstein to the US and keep the US out of WW II .
That means no Einstein and England gets knocked out which means the US nuclear progam loses a lot of research . That double wammy means the Nazis get the nuclear bomb first.
that means the US would have likely been conquered or destroyed.
So that pretty much writes you off.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto
Real life Klansman. like his supporters. |
Do you not realize that these people have zero influence? |
They make frequent apperences on conspiracy sites and thsoe sites are appearing more and more on this board.
People like them are the major force behind 9-11 conspiracy theories. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto
Real life Klansman. like his supporters. |
Do you not realize that these people have zero influence? |
They make frequent apperences on conspiracy sites and thsoe sites are appearing more and more on this board.
People like them are the major force behind 9-11 conspiracy theories. |
And, who's behind the Downing Street Memo? Oh, right, that one is real. George W. Bush and Tony Blair did in fact lie about the invasion of Iraq. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| And, who's behind the Downing Street Memo? Oh, right, that one is real. George W. Bush and Tony Blair did in fact lie about the invasion of Iraq. |
that they planned to invade Iraq at that time? that is probably true.
The US had pretty much decided to invade Iraq in 2002.
This is the real reason for the war.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110567/posts |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| And, who's behind the Downing Street Memo? Oh, right, that one is real. George W. Bush and Tony Blair did in fact lie about the invasion of Iraq. |
that they planned to invade Iraq at that time? that is probably true.
The US had pretty much decided to invade Iraq in 2002. |
Pretty much ??? Hmmmm ... well i think we should pretty much try to report things clearly here. Apparently there were certain NEO-con elements laying plans for the execution of their bloody campaign long before that.
Iraq Invasion Planned Before 9/11
On: Sat January, 10 2004 @ 03:21 GMT
A damaging revelation from former Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill. He claims that the invasion of Iraq was planned early in the days of the Bush administration, long before the attack on the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001. This will be revealed in an interview on CBS's "60 Mintues" on Sunday evening.
From the Drudge Report flash: "The Bush Administration began laying plans for an invasion of Iraq including the use of American troops within days of President Bush's inauguration in January of 2001, not eight months later after the 9/11 attacks as has been previously reported. That is what former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill says in his first interview about his time as a White House insider. O'Neill talks to Lesley Stahl in the interview, to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Jan. 11 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network."
This is sure to be a fire-storm of activity over the next few weeks. For a long time here on AboveTopSecret.com, many of our members speculated on this concept, that the Iraq invasion was planned before the 9/11/2001 attack in New York City and Washington, DC.
Now we have high-ranking confirmation of our speculation.
http://www.atsnn.com/story/29128.html |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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O'Neill: 'Frenzy' distorted war plans account
Rumsfeld: Idea of a bias toward war 'a total misunderstanding'
WASHINGTON (CNN) --Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said Tuesday his account of the Bush administration's early discussions about a possible invasion of Iraq has been distorted by a "red meat frenzy."
The controversy began last week when excerpts were released from a book on the administration published Tuesday in which O'Neill suggests Iraq was the focus of President Bush's first National Security Council meeting.
That started what O'Neill described to NBC's "Today" show as a "red meat frenzy that's occurred when people didn't have anything except snippets."
"People are trying to make a case that I said the president was planning war in Iraq early in the administration," O'Neill said.
"Actually, there was a continuation of work that had been going on in the Clinton administration with the notion that there needed to be regime change in Iraq."
The idea that Bush "came into office with a predisposition to invade Iraq, I think, is a total misunderstanding of the situation," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters at the Pentagon.
Bush administration officials have noted that U.S. policy dating from the Clinton administration was to seek "regime change" in Iraq, although it focused on funding and training Iraqi opposition groups rather than using military force. (Full story)
Retired Army Gen. Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he saw nothing to indicate the United States was close to attacking Iraq early in Bush's term.
Shelton, who retired shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, said the brass reviewed "on the shelf" plans to respond to crises with the incoming Bush administration.
But in the administration's first six months, "I saw nothing that would lead me to believe that we were any closer to attacking Iraq than we had been during the previous administration," Shelton told CNN.
O'Neill, former CEO of aluminum producer Alcoa, sat on the National Security Council during his 23 months as treasury secretary.
He was pushed out of the administration in December 2002 during a dispute over tax cuts and growing budget deficits, and was the primary source for author Ron Suskind's book, "The Price of Loyalty: George Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill."
"From the start, we were building the case against Hussein and looking at how we could take him out and change Iraq into a new country," O'Neill is quoted as saying in the book.
"And, if we did that, it would solve everything. It was about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it -- the president saying, 'Fine. Go find me a way to do this.'"
But Tuesday O'Neill said, "I'm amazed that anyone would think that our government, on a continuing basis across political administrations, doesn't do contingency planning and look at circumstances."
Several Democratic presidential candidates seized on O'Neill's comments to argue that the Bush administration misled Americans about the drive to war with Iraq, where nearly 500 American troops have been killed since March.
Democratic front-runner Howard Dean used them as a jumping-off point to attack three rivals -- Rep. Dick Gephardt and Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards -- who supported a congressional resolution authorizing Bush to act against Iraq.
"I would remind Iowans and others that a year ago, I stood up against this war and was the only one to do so of the individuals I have mentioned," said Dean, whose opposition to the war helped propel him to the top of the pack.
Bush repeated his position Monday that his administration turned to war with Iraq only after the September 11 attacks changed the way U.S. officials viewed Baghdad's suspected weapons programs.
That Iraq was a concern before that time was evident in July 2001, when national security adviser Condoleezza Rice told CNN that Saddam "is on the radar screen for the administration," and senior officials met at the White House two days later to discuss Iraq.
During the same time, Iraq began dispersing aircraft and air defense capabilities in preparation for more aggressive U.S. airstrikes to enforce the "no-fly" zones over northern and southern Iraq.
A senior administration official told CNN that early Bush administration discussions regarding Iraq reviewed existing policies and plans.
Officials were particularly concerned with enforcement of the "no-fly" zones, where Iraqi air defense forces had been taking potshots at U.S. and British warplanes since late 1998.
Rumsfeld said Tuesday that Iraq was the only place in the world where U.S. forces were being fired upon "with impunity," and "clearing it was something that needed to be addressed."
Richard Perle, a leading advocate of war with Iraq and a member of the independent Defense Advisory Board that advises Rumsfeld, told CNN the review was still under way when the September 11 attacks occurred.
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/oneill.bush |
Conspiracy theorists can't be trusted . |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Conspiracy theorists can't be trusted. |
Yet conspirators can ???  ...  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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igotthisguitar
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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igotthisguitar
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_ladens_brother_in_law_had_close_ties_to_bush.htm
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Bin Laden��s Brother-in-law Had Close Ties to Bush
by Tom Flocco *
AmericanFreePress.net * And Scoop.co.nz
August 28, 2002
Saudi Sheikh Khalid bin Mahfouz, an |
This story is a fabrication then ??? Nope. Don't think so. Believe this would qualify as an empirical fact.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/102803waystofight.html
Well, speaking for myself, unlike *cough* some people, i fully support ( i.e. arguably left, right, centrist, up, down, pink, blue, green etc ) "freedom" of the press.
Focusing simply on suggestion #6, you "forgot" to include the REST of the heading ...
101+ Ways to fight the New World Order
Prison Planet Forum/Numerous Contributors
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Osama Bin Laden? Media Ignores Absence of Proof
Christopher Bollyn| November 2 2004 |
Bollyn writers for the American Free Press
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/021104mediaignores.htm
So what ??? This guy and anyone who might share in his opinions should be detained under the Patriot Act ??? Indeed that's the kinda thing you consistently advocate.
http://prisonplanet.com/washingtons_power_elite_are_the_beneficiaries_of_war.html
http://prisonplanet.com/official_bungling_claimed_in_911_intelligence.html
So, you think the Bush crime syndicate ISN'T making a whole lotta $$$ from the "War" on "Terror" ???
So, you DON'T think there was a massive 911 intelligence failure ??? For you it was a success ??? Hmmmmm ... i see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto
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Like The Spotlight, American Free Press proclaims a populist political orientation and runs opinionated articles and editorials aimed at a mainstream audience across the political spectrum, but critics charge that it is a subtle recruiting tool for anti-Semitism and the political extreme right-wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press
Thankfully at least one of us supports the right for others to express contrary opinions with which they find themselves in disagreement with.
Try not to over look the fact either, whether CNN / BBC / FOX / ABC ( or what have you ) Jones also consistently uses multiple main stream corporately "correct" media sources. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Thankfully at least one of us supports the right for others to express contrary opinions with which they find themselves in disagreement with. |
Not about the right to express them but that that you present them as the truth.
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In 1955, he founded the organization called Liberty Lobby, which remained in operation under the control of Willis Carto until 2001, when the organization was forced into bankruptcy as a result of a lawsuit. Liberty Lobby was perhaps best known for publishing the newspaper, The Spotlight, between 1975 and 2001, which is also now defunct. Willis Carto and other people who were involved with The Spotlight have since started a new newspaper, called the American Free Press, which is similar in tone.
Carto was also the founder of a publishing company called Noontide Press, which published a number of books on white racialist subjects, including Yockey's Imperium. Noontide Press later became closely associated with the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), and fell out of Carto's hands at the same time as the IHR did. The IHR was founded by Willis Carto in 1979, with the intent of promoting the proposition that the Nazi Holocaust never happened - a view known as Holocaust revisionism or Holocaust denial. After losing control of Noontide Press and the IHR in a hostile takeover by former associates, Carto started another publication, the Barnes Review, which is also dedicated to denying that the Holocaust happened. On March 26, 2003, Switzerland issued an arrest warrant for Carto for embezzling millions from the IHR and its parent company.[1] (http://www.ihr.org/news/040709_carto_warrant.shtml) |
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In 2004, Carto joined in signing the New Orleans Protocol on behalf of American Free Press. The New Orleans Protocol seeks to "mainstream our cause" by reducing violence and internecine warfare, and was written by David Duke. There are few movements on the American far right that have not been influenced in one way or another by Willis Carto in the last 50 years. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thankfully at least one of us supports the right for others to express contrary opinions with which they find themselves in disagreement with. |
Not about the right to express them but that that you present them as the truth. |
I present what as truth ??? Moreover, what IS truth ??? You honestly think you have the answer to that ??? Not me. I prefer questions.
Of course most people have lots of opinions. Lots of perspectives. I like to see mine as being in perpetual evolution. Driven by an innate sense of curiosity & skepticism.
Most of course like to think "their" perspective, "their" beliefs, "their" opinions are correct, and thereby ... the truth. Too much ownership, EGO and warped self-identity invested in the bulk of our "beliefs".
Having said this, i'm largely in agreement. Carlos does seem to have some pretty extreme & biased views. Thanks for the wikipedia synopsis.
Still, it's an overstatement to say that everything his indie publication hosts or prints is nonsense or categorically false. That's just absurd.
The best approach would be ( as always ) simply to read a little more carefully & critically. |
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