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On the other hand
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The problem with attempting to debate with most white supremacists is that their thoughts are so incoherent and incohesive that there's really nothing to latch onto and attack. It's just the raw emotion of hatred with a few flimsy fragments of various different inchoate pseudo-arguments scotch-taped together to dress it up to make it look like something when it's nothing...it's very hard to know how to reply to such idiocy. I can address an argument, but this? There's nothing to it, nothing holding it together but the premise itself. What is duloz saying here, other than "I don't like them mud people!!"
What the slightest connection between Turkey's genocide in the 1920s, and the Ms. Universe pagaent in 2005 with an Iranian Ms. Germany is, I haven't the slightest clue. Probably because there is none. |
Yeah. On the one hand, Dulouz complains about Muslims not integrating into western society. However, in order for a Turk to become Germany's representative to the Miss Universe pageant, she'd have to be pretty well-integrated into the norms and mores of German culture. I don't think you get to be Miss Deutchsland by running around in a veil and shouting "death to the infidels". So, really, this woman should be a HERO to Dulouz, but instead all he gives her is sass. |
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The Bobster
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| sonofthedarkstranger wrote: |
| What the slightest connection between Turkey's genocide in the 1920s, and the Ms. Universe pagaent in 2005 with an Iranian Ms. Germany is, I haven't the slightest clue. Probably because there is none. |
I'm still trying to work that one out. Anyone come up with a logical connection, let me know.
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| And the winner of the contest was an ethnically Russian Canadian... |
I thought he was joking, but here's a page from the site Nowhere Man gave us. |
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sonofthedarkstranger
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| jagnatha69, my comment was directed at duluoz, not you. I understood what you were saying/doing in that post. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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We started talking about genocide because someone mentioned Germany's history of race relation. That means WWII.
Again, my first post stated the clear contradiction. If every nation sent a hyphenated host country - Turk beauty pageant contestant to the Miss U pageant, would that be or not be diverse? It would not be diverse.
Whether or not I like or dislike "Mud People" because of their skin color is beside the point because it proponents pull off enough fraud lies and chicanery to keep my hands full for several decades.
In The USA, Americans are invaded by another country but are forb
idden to say anything because the offenders are differently colored.
Europe gets ripped off via the asylum route. The sytem is free to use, there are no penalties for fraudulent claims and there are no limits to the number of times anyone can apply.
Its about the cash, its about how miserable some countries, people and cultures are. It aint about enlightenment. Its about a big stinking mess somewhere else made by someone else whose deserves criticism but is untouchable in that regard.
No one can assimilate. Assimilation is impossible. Multiculturalism and assimilation are exact opposites and this skirting and teasing and bone throwing wastes time. Assimilation means genocide for the host nation. Why would anyone want to make Sweden more Somalia? Somalia is hell.
You cannot send a Zulu to Tokyo and tell him or her he or she is Japanese now no matter how well he learns Japanese. To do so is an administrative form of genocide. You have just replaced one with another and there is now one less of us. This is your doing.
Woe to someone who is born with some manner of silver spoon, any matter of silver spoon. The Hawaiians were introduced to Multiculturalism
because of the pretty beaches that someone else wanted to posses and make into a golf course. This multi stuff is such a lie. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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That was quite the eye opener. Assimilation is impossible eh? How do those millions of non-Caucasians wave the flag and celebrate their pride in being American year after year?
How indeed? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Assimilation means genocide for the host nation. |
You have a VERY peculiar idea of assimilation. Normally, most people think assimilation means the crushing of minority cultures. Think of the Scandanavians of Minnesota. Except for their Lutheran churches, there isn't much left of their culture. They are just 'regular' Americans. They were assimilated.
Please explain your concept of assimilation more fully. |
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dulouz
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I have problems with your question. Many problems. Its loaded, very loaded as all the discussions are with you and your type on this matter.
Flag waving is not assimiltion by itself, theres much much more isn't there? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Flag waving is not assimiltion by itself, theres much much more isn't there? |
What more to it is there than patriotism for the new country? Please explain. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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dulouz wrote:
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| Its loaded, very loaded as all the discussions are with you and your type on this matter. |
Have we had a discussion before? Also, please let me know what my type is.
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| Flag waving is not assimiltion by itself, theres much much more isn't there? |
Apparently a lot of them feel assimilated enough to fight and die for America in Iraq. Is that enough for you? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently a lot of them feel assimilated enough to fight and die for America in Iraq. Is that enough for you? |
As for that, I think the supreme commander is a fellow named Abaziad. That surname was not listed among the manifest of the Mayflower. Look it up and see what boat his family came on, and especially where they came from.
I'm guessing there might be some Middle Eatsrners who think assimilation is all too possible ...
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| I have problems with your question. |
There are some very good reasons why you might. The problem you have is that the question forces you see that the core assumptions you are operating under are in conflict with the world as it exists.
Sorry, but thems is the breaks. |
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