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toomuchtime



Joined: 11 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Sealed transcripts, anyone? Reply with quote

What are you folks doing with the recent requests from schools for sealed transcripts as part of the application package?

"REQUIRED DOCUMENTS
- Current resume and cover letter
- Copy of undergraduate and graduate diplomas
- Set of official, sealed undergraduate and graduate transcripts (mailed to us directly from the university)
- Copies of personal data pages from your passport and current visa (if you are currently teaching in Korea)
- 2-3 recent letters of reference
- 3 passport sized color photos taken recently
- All documents should be submitted no later than June 24, 2005

Documentation should be mailed to:
Cheon Myeong-ho
Sungkyun Language Institute
Sungkyunkwan University
300, Cheoncheon-dong, Jangan-gu, Suwon, Gyeonggi-do, 440-746, South Korea
E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: 82-31-290-5231 "


I think it's pretty bogus. I still send copies, and am fully prepared to deliver the real goods if/when I'm hired. But now I'm wondering if not providing them from the get-go might damage my chances of getting the job in the first place.

TMT.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not bogus. It's not the school, it's Immigration. You can't apply without them. It's a new law. Sorry, Charlie.

Scroll down and look at the Yonsei, Wonju campus ad:

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********In Accordance with new Korean employment legislation, all Korean schools require applicants to present their sealed University Transcripts. As for anyone interested in working at yonsei University, the first step in the application process is to ask your university to send your sealed transcripts directly to following address.*******

Myoung Sun Park, Ph.D.
Program Director
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rapier



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just ordered 30 copies from my uni.

I think asking to get them mailed directly to your prospective employer from your uni is asking a bit much: time consuming for a start. presenting them in an unopened, sealed and postmarked envelope should be sufficient.

Are all the schools asking for them to be sent directly to them from the uni, or is it just this one? because its becoming a bit impractical now...I mean it takes up to a month to arrive.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing's for sure... don't send them a darned thing until you know you have the job.

I can just see the schools and recruiters wanting to take advantage of this one -- thinking they can lock you in.
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could be interesting. I know of at least two Canadian uni's that will not mail out transcripts to a third party.

whats next? an original copy of your degree in a sealed envelope with a DNA encoded microchip?
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I half wonder if immigration isn't licking their chops at the prospects of nailing teachers and fining them for working early before the transcripts come in the mail.
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harryh



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
This could be interesting. I know of at least two Canadian uni's that will not mail out transcripts to a third party.


I contacted my university, and it seems they will only post them to me personally, not to another person, which seems reasonable enough. After all, they are MY transcripts. They said that if somebody wants verification of my degree and transcripts, all they have to do is contact the registrar at the university.

What ifyou send, say a recruiter your transcripts, and upon receiving them, they open them by mistake (quite possible, as I'm sure they receive a lotof mail daily)? Would they then be worthless?

Although it's a different scenario, but would you like a copy of your credit card to be mailed to somebody you don't know?
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
One thing's for sure... don't send them a darned thing until you know you have the job.

I can just see the schools and recruiters wanting to take advantage of this one -- thinking they can lock you in.


I think you have it backwards. You can't get the job until you send them transcripts. How can they lock you in? It's just a piece of paper, order several copies, keep them on hand. It's the new way.

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I half wonder if immigration isn't licking their chops at the prospects of nailing teachers and fining them for working early before the transcripts come in the mail.


So, you want them to crack down on illegal Canadians but making the process more legit is too difficult for you?

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Are all the schools asking for them to be sent directly to them from the uni, or is it just this one? because its becoming a bit impractical now...I mean it takes up to a month to arrive.


They don't need to come to the employer from your uni. Delivered by you in sealed envelopes with the uni seal on the back flap of the envelope is good enough.

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What ifyou send, say a recruiter your transcripts, and upon receiving them, they open them by mistake (quite possible, as I'm sure they receive a lotof mail daily)? Would they then be worthless?


Yes.
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toomuchtime



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Sungkyunkwan University job was posted today, and the closing date is June 24. They expect that sealed transcripts from universities abroad are going to be there in nine days? I'm really having a hard time with this requirement. What's wrong with applying with copies, and sending the originals if one gets the job? The K. gov't has really gone overboard here.
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toomuchtime



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay then, check this ad out: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=16443

Kyungpook National University
please submit the following:
1) Resume w/cover letter and photo (please mention where you saw this advert)
2) Copy of your passport page w/photo
3) Copies of all degrees & transcripts
4) Three (3) letters of recommendation (personal and/or professional)

Now this is reasonable.

Ahhhhhh. (slowly changing back into Banner).
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyongpook is wrong. It's a new law, they're unaware of the change. Sungkyungwan expects you to come to Korea with the proper documents. These include sealed transcripts. Immigration, if the new law is being enforced, won't issue a visa without sealed transcripts.
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh just do the same thing Koreans do.
Oh sorry, next time, sorry, okay?
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gmat



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-To reiterate what some have already have said and many have ignored-

It has nothing to do with the employers, the sealed transcripts are REQUIRED by Immigration now. You can not get a visa without immigration first receiving your sealed transcripts.

It is a new Immigration/Visa requirement.
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Teufelswacht



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.K. maybe this is a dumb question. I wouldn't be my first or last. Anyways,

Let's say you have your university send them directly or you hand carry sealed transcripts to the university and, during the employment process, they open them. Do you then have to get another sealed set to give immigration to get the visa to work at that university?

In other words do you, in fact, need two sealed transcripts for one job? Or will/does the university/employer certify to immigration that they were received sealed and that will suffice.

I think the jury is still out on this. Basically, employers and immigration probably haven't a clue on how long it takes or the fact that some universities won't send transcripts to a third party.

I remember when immigration tried the 4 year BA rule for the E-2 visa. That lasted all of a month. This may be a little longer but I think it will smooth out once they realize it is much easier to have a database or something where once approved for an E-2 you don't have to go through this transcript nut roll with each job change.
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desultude



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teufelswacht wrote:
O.K. maybe this is a dumb question. I wouldn't be my first or last. Anyways,

Let's say you have your university send them directly or you hand carry sealed transcripts to the university and, during the employment process, they open them. Do you then have to get another sealed set to give immigration to get the visa to work at that university?

In other words do you, in fact, need two sealed transcripts for one job? Or will/does the university/employer certify to immigration that they were received sealed and that will suffice.

I think the jury is still out on this. Basically, employers and immigration probably haven't a clue on how long it takes or the fact that some universities won't send transcripts to a third party.

I remember when immigration tried the 4 year BA rule for the E-2 visa. That lasted all of a month. This may be a little longer but I think it will smooth out once they realize it is much easier to have a database or something where once approved for an E-2 you don't have to go through this transcript nut roll with each job change.


Exactly right, I hand carried sealed transcripts to a university interview last fall and they immediately opened them. I would have really been PO'ed if they hadn't offered me a job. They opened them before the interview even began, so if they hadn't offered me the job, that set would have been wasted. As it was it was wasted anyway, as I decided, based on the interview that I didn't want the job.
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