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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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when i tried to file a complaint at the labour board, i was told that they only deal with payment claims. that is, monetary. they do not deal with LOL issues. at least that has been my experience. we all know there is very little in the way of consistency re: queries to governmental agencies.
the foreign worker legal help centre, which works purely in the capacity of mediator, will advise you to a) be nicer to your boss and, if that fails, sue him from your home country in small claims court, again only for lost pay.
the only recourse is to complain to immigration if you have a LOL issue. but again, little or no consistency. typically, if you ask 5 different immigration officers for official advice you will get 5 different answers.
when i complained twice to immigration about my employer who threatened to deport me "forever" from korea after i quit because he was: witholding pay, breaking the terms of my contract (i was hired as a TOEIC instructor at his adult hogwan but upon my return from my visa run, i discovered that this "hagwon" had no students and i was subsequently pimped out to 4 elementary schools to teach hellish classes) i was advised again to be nicer to my boss to get my LOL and to collect recommendations from my students to submit to immigration in the event i ever wished to work in korea again after my forced exit.
this particular employer had at least 10 immigration complaints against him filed by previous burned teachers ranging from 2000 to 2004.(as an aside, earlier this year i heard that he had his license cancelled but it took immigration five long years to act and the cancellation was no consolation to the posse of teachers scattered around the planet whose lives he made a living hell.)
i think the track record shows that the majority of e2 visa holders who get ill treated by their bosses and try to find justice through governmental channels are, more often than not, burned. |
What is a LOL? You spelled it wrong three times. Now I am no spelling nazi, but if you want people to give your claims credence, it might be best to make sure you spell it right. It's LOR (letter of release).
The thing with the labour board is to make sure you have all your papers in order and your story straight. Now according to your post you told Immigration that you were working at 4 elementary schools and they did not tell you that this was illegal? Under the terms of the E- visa you can only work at one location. You could have easily gotten released from your visa if this was the case. You are not telling us the whole story. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| What is a LOL? You spelled it wrong three times. Now I am no spelling nazi, but if you want people to give your claims credence, it might be best to make sure you spell it right. It's LOR (letter of release). |
Coffee, TUM. You only beat me because I was off to get another cup. But for me, it wasn't an issue of credence. I just didn't know what it meant. Laughing Out Loud? Labour of Love? Letter of Lelease? |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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it reely buggs me when peeple try two counter argu sumonez argumint by loggically fallashus methuds, like saying iff someones syntaktical form is off a little there arggument iz susspect. like iff u misspel sumthing, then yer creddibility goez owt the window.
guess you never belonged to a debating team.
reely reely erks me.
anyway, it IS legal to add additional workplaces to your visa if:
you have your boss' written permission.
if the classes are conducted in a classroom setting complete with a blackboard, you are teaching at least 2 students, and you aren't making more from these jobs than you are getting from your e2 sponser. er, sponsor.
it costs 60K to get it done at the immigration office.
and all four public elementary schools were put on my visa. i was getting a monthly salary from said dodgy boss and he was getting 3.5 million a month from each elementary school for my teaching. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| fancypants wrote: |
it reely buggs me when peeple try two counter argu sumonez argumint by loggically fallashus methuds, like saying iff someones syntaktical form is off a little there arggument iz susspect. like iff u misspel sumthing, then yer creddibility goez owt the window.
guess you never belonged to a debating team.
reely reely erks me.
anyway, it IS legal to add additional workplaces to your visa if:
you have your boss' written permission.
if the classes are conducted in a classroom setting complete with a blackboard, you are teaching at least 2 students, and you aren't making more from these jobs than you are getting from your e2 sponser. er, sponsor.
it costs 60K to get it done at the immigration office.
and all four public elementary schools were put on my visa. i was getting a monthly salary from said dodgy boss and he was getting 3.5 million a month from each elementary school for my teaching. |
You claimed in your above post that he was violating the terms of your contract by making you teach at these schools. When i complained twice to immigration about my employer who threated to deport me "forever" from Korea after i quit because he was: withholding pay, BREAKING THE TERMS OF MY CONTRACT (i WAS HIRED AS A TOEIC INSTRUCTOR AT HIS ADULT HOGWAN, BUT UPON MY RETURN FROM MY VISA RUN, i DISCOVERED THIS "HAGWAN" HAD NO STUDENTS, AND i WAS SUBSEQUENTLY PIMPED OUT TO 4 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS TO TEACH HELLISH CLASSES)....
So according to you, your primary workplace had no students, yet you didn't tell Immigration about this? That would be grounds for release. Also according to you he was breaking your contract by making you teach at 4 elementary schools, yet according to you this was okayed by Immigration? How could he violate your contract if Immigration okayed your workplaces?
(italics are mine)
As for the comments about your spelling, if you want people to understand you, it is best to be clear. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The post itself was good and I liked how the rest of the staff walked out during the apology but I admit I had made a mental note to check out later what an LOL is. |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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urbanmyth, this sparring is getting wearisome. please trust that i am not making this stuff up and that i am merely trying to substantiate my claim that, in my experience, trying to get help from korean governmental authorities is a hit and miss activity. maybe others such as yourself have gotten great guidance and support from immigration but as for me, dealing with immigration is like entering a kafka-esque universe.
immigration doesn't care about contracts or what they state. they only care if your boss is violating immigration law. and my boss wasn't violating anything because he was legally pimping me out by getting additional workplaces put on my visa.
and as for the LOL: i have been here so long i am beginning to mix up my L's and R's.
believe me or don't believe me. let's get back on topic. |
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Vic Mackey
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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just called immigration to see what paperwork was involved in getting a part-time company job legalized and was told that all company work is illegal, and that I could only work in a hagwon, school or university.
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Ya, but the funniest thing is that English is taught at nearly every governement office in Korea including MOJ offices.  So I hear. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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When in doubt consult www.pegpigdictionary.ca
LOL = Lack of Love
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| when i tried to file a complaint at the labour board, i was told that they only deal with payment claims. that is, monetary. they do not deal with LackOfLove issues. the only recourse is to complain to immigration if you have a LackOfLove issue. but again, little or no consistency. typically, if you ask 5 different immigration officers for official advice you will get 5 different answers. |
I actually I doubt whether immigration will give a rat's behind if you're getting any or not.
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| i was advised again to be nicer to my boss to get my LackOfLove and to collect recommendations from my students to submit to immigration in the event i ever wished to work in korea again after my forced exit. |
I do agree with this. If you are nice to your boss it is possible to get that lack of love taken care of.
I wonder if we didn't work for the same crook. Was this by any chance Hamilton? |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll or BS if I ever saw one. Immigration would never allow four different places of employment on an E2. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| Troll or BS if I ever saw one. Immigration would never allow four different places of employment on an E2. |
I don't think so. Methinks we may have worked for the same felon. I saw a few teachers with 3 stamps (don't know if I ever saw a 4th). On some days they'd go to 2 different schools. Then the next day they'd have to go to a 3rd school. It was quite the 3-ring circus. Which reminds me. I have to go revive that thread and say my piece. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| Troll or BS if I ever saw one. Immigration would never allow four different places of employment on an E2. |
I'm doubting neither of you, but I'm curious what the point of such trolling or BS-ing would be. |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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oops.just checked my passport: only 2 alteration of workplace stamps in there, but he had me working at 4. dodgy boss kept my passport in his possession most of the time i was working there, said it was because of the frequency with which he had to go to immigration all the time for the alterations. anyway, that's probably one of the reasons why he had his license yanked... afterwards, once in awhile i would read a post about this
dodgy mofo on the blacklists and many other teachers complained about him getting them to work illegally after i left. as for me, up until 2 minutes ago i thought i was working legally there, but i guess i wasn't.
do a search on the blacklists for daehak language institute or hamilton language institute or hamilton institute of oriental medicine (serious!) or blubberass lee or dragonlady and find out the hair raising details of this evil ajossi for yourself. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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urbanmyth, this sparring is getting wearisome. please trust that i am not making this stuff up and that i am merely trying to substantiate my claim that, in my experience, trying to get help from korean governmental authorities is a hit and miss activity. maybe others such as yourself have gotten great guidance and support from immigration but as for me, dealing with immigration is like entering a kafka-esque universe.
immigration doesn't care about contracts or what they state. they only care if your boss is violating immigration law. and my boss wasn't violating anything because he was legally pimping me out by getting additional workplaces put on my visa.
and as for the LOL: i have been here so long i am beginning to mix up my L's and R's.
believe me or don't believe me. let's get back on topic. |
We are on topic. Your credibility is involved with this: Let's look at your dubious claims. (1) You claim that the boss was violating your contract, then you contradict yourself and claim that these additional workplaces were added to your card. That means he wasn't violating your contract.
(2) You claim you had four additional workplaces. That means you were working for FIVE different places (at least that's what your card would say). Immigration would not allow this. Which means either you were working illegally, or trolling. Period. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| oops.just checked my passport: only 2 alteration of workplace stamps in there, but he had me working at 4. dodgy boss kept my passport in his possession most of the time i was f. |
Workplace stamps aren't placed in your passport, they are placed on your alien card. How is it that you claim you are a teacher and don't know this?
Stop trolling please. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Workplace stamps aren't placed in your passport, they are placed on your alien card. How is it that you claim you are a teacher and don't know this?
Stop trolling please. |
Well, I dug out my old passport because my curiousity was starting to get the better of me - and I worked at the same Shawshank. The oppressed must stick together.
My passport has 2 school stamps in addition to my F2 stamp. And my ARC also has a myriad of E2/F2 scribblings on the back. |
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