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'Koreans Unharmed...' Most Important, right?
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Gwangjuboy wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
and DID report the tsunami catastrophe in that fashion, and I don't think the poster's purpose was to single out and bash the US.


Nonsense. The tsunami was given immense coverage by CNN. Months after the disaster struck they were covering the affected disaster areas, and interviewing government officials and heads of state of the affected countries. Probably long after rich Asian countries (except Japan perhaps) had forgotten about it.

You've missed the point entirely. It can happen to the best of us. I suggest re-reading this thread.



Mindmetoo suggested that US news reports distasters in exactly the same as the Koreans did in this case. You suggested that the US media reported the tsunami in the same fashion. I strongly disagree for the reasons I gave previously. If you are trying to say something else it wasn't clear from your post.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3,000 dead in NYC, 9/11. Korean reaction: Slo-mo the planes crashing over and over before a studio audience while Korean comedians tell jokes.

200 dead in Daegu subway arson. Korean reaction: The arsonist was mentally ill.

Canadian 2 yr. old murdered. Korean reaction:That's nice. Are the Koreans ok?

I will never forget watching "The Pianist" at CGV; the Koreans laughed as the Nazis shot Jews in the head.
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
3,000 dead in NYC, 9/11. Korean reaction: Slo-mo the planes crashing over and over before a studio audience while Korean comedians tell jokes.

200 dead in Daegu subway arson. Korean reaction: The arsonist was mentally ill.

Canadian 2 yr. old murdered. Korean reaction:That's nice. Are the Koreans ok?

I will never forget watching "The Pianist" at CGV; the Koreans laughed as the Nazis shot Jews in the head.


Do you have any web links or videos of the 9/11 Korean comedian jokes? I would be interested in seeing them for some research I'm doing.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, no. I can only recall.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Kim Dong-song was disqualified in the finals of the men's 1500 meter short track speedskating event at the Salt Lake Games, Koreans blamed Apollo Anton Ohno, who got the gold and all Ameicans. Koreans were quick to let Americans know how much fun they had on 9/11. This image was found on one of a dozen anti-U.S. sites that sprung up after the Olympics. Notice how eager the Koreans are to tell the Americans what they really felt about 9/11.

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/photos/WTCFoul.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/towersjoke1.html

Glee over the tragedy of 9/11 was barely below the surface in South Korea and all it took was a controversial call at the Olympics to bring it out with guns blazing.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/photos/911joke2.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/more911fun.html

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/towersjoke1.html

http://www.areastudies.org/documents/anti-us003.html

http://www.comeng.pe.kr/bbs/view.html?code=board_jyoun&gory=&search_field=&search_key=&txtid=9&start=30

http://www.bongpyong.or.kr/cgi-bin/technote/read.cgi?board=5-28&nnew=2&y_number=37

http://bingoimage.naver.com/data3/bingo_38/imgbingo_35/kiacha/28623/kiacha_4.gif

Festival
http://times.ks.ac.kr/html/ytnews/fea-20020528.htm

Song
(original)
http://www.namusori.pe.kr/album/b_usa.php

(remake)
http://www.kamconojo.or.kr/free/view.php?idcount=72&tb_name=song

Discussion on the song and media
http://cast.jinbo.net/film/show.php?no=330

School kids singing bin Laden's praises
Elementary school students in Busan and other parts of South Gyeongsang province are reportedly singing the praises of Osama bin Laden. School authorities in the province said they are working to discourage children from singing what they called a "Bin Laden worship song."

The South Gyeongsang Office of Education reported Tuesday that 1,750 students had been punished at 15 schools for singing the song. The education office said a survey it conducted showed that in Gimhae about 1,700 of the city's 40,000 elementary school students have at least heard the song. In Busan about 10 percent of elementary school students said they have heard or sung the song.

The song, reportedly sung to the tune of the theme song of a popular cartoon, goes something like this: "Osama bin Laden, the person I admire most. I also want to be a terrorist when I grow up. President Bush, the person I detest most. I'm going to blow up the 63 building."
by Kim Sang-jin, JoongAng Daily (December 26, 2001)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200112/26/200112260143155789900090409041.html
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
Gwangjuboy wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
and DID report the tsunami catastrophe in that fashion, and I don't think the poster's purpose was to single out and bash the US.


Nonsense. The tsunami was given immense coverage by CNN. Months after the disaster struck they were covering the affected disaster areas, and interviewing government officials and heads of state of the affected countries. Probably long after rich Asian countries (except Japan perhaps) had forgotten about it.

You've missed the point entirely. It can happen to the best of us. I suggest re-reading this thread.



Mindmetoo suggested that US news reports distasters in exactly the same as the Koreans did in this case. You suggested that the US media reported the tsunami in the same fashion. I strongly disagree for the reasons I gave previously. If you are trying to say something else it wasn't clear from your post.

Perhaps I wasn't being clear- RR's contention has been that the headlines he posted indicate a callous disregard for non-Koreans. Mindmetoo posted a comment that indicated that (other countries, and he used the example of) Americans do the same thing. The thread was started about headline contents, not length of reporting, or duration, or location (after sports or vs. on the front page etc.).

As Peppergirl has shown, other countries DO do the same thing; and as Draven has shown, it's not neccessarily becuase they don't give a sh*t about other countries but because it's the nature of headlines, the nature of the industry, and human nature.

I said you missed the point entirely because you responded by talking about the duration, extensiveness of (for example CNN ) reporting. I wouldn't disagree with what you said, but it's not relevant unless you broaden the scope of the discussion (which is what has now happened, so while my comment to you was justified at the time I wrote it, perhaps it's not any longer).

Are there incidents which appear to indicate the callous disregard Koreans can have for others? YES

Do RR's headlines fall into such a category? NO
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:


Glee over the tragedy of 9/11 was barely below the surface in South Korea


That always struck me as odd. I thought there'd be more concern over the Koreans or Korean-Americans who died that day.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from one of the sites RR gave us. It not only does not very much support what he wants us to think about Korean chauvinsm, it serves as a very good example of the kind of letter to write to an American corporation if you want it to be read and listened to.

By the way, I'm not sure why RR postred that particular link. but a lot of us have very clear ideas aboutr the kind of selectivity he employs while choosing his links.


Dear Mr. Leno,

Hello. My name is Jonathan Hilts-Park, and I am a public broadcasting news commentator at EBS (Educational Broadcasting System) in Seoul, South Korea.

I am writing to address a joke you made during your monologue that has offended many Koreans.

During the monologue of your Thursday, February 21 program, you made several jokes about Korean skater Kim Dongsung, who came in first in the 1500-meter race, but was disqualified for alleged cross-tracking.

Your monologue was aired twice in South Korea through AFN Korea (American Forces Network Korea).

A couple of the jokes you told were about you being cut off by a Korean driver, just as Kim was accused of cutting off US skater Apolo Ohno.

Your final joke, about Mr. Kim eating his dog, went completely over the line.

Specifically, you said that after Mr. Kim was disqualified, he got so mad that "he went home and kicked the dog, then ate him." (In your monologue, you didn't mention Mr. Kim's name; if you did not even know the name of the person whom you were insulting in such a way, that makes the situation even worse.)

With this offensive joke playing on a very unfortunate racist stereotype, you have added considerable insult to injury for a hard-working world-class athlete whom millions of people feel was robbed of his gold.

Not only that, but you have perpetuated that same stereotype in a way that would make it more socially acceptable to Americans in general.

Your comments were on the air twice throughout South Korea, and many people here were deeply offended. They were shocked that such a thing would now be broadcast throughout a country like the United States.

Not only are your comments offensive to Mr. Kim, and the rest of South Korea, but they are hurtful to millions of Korean-Americans and other Asian-Americans, who are affected by such nasty stereotypes.

We know you can do better than that. Your joke was nothing but a cheap shot based on an unfair racial stereotype, as bad as comments about Blacks eating watermelons.

I know from your on-air and off-air comments that you are a decent man who condemns racism -- particularly against Blacks.

You're the descendant of Irish and Italian immigrants, two groups that have experienced a great deal of discrimination in the United States, so it seems surprising that you would spread this kind of thing around.

You're the number one late-night host in America and we think your standards should be a little higher.

Your jokes, and the cultural connotations that go with them, are repeated throughout the country, becoming almost a model of what is appropriate and acceptable. We realize that these are meant to be jokes, but that doesn't justify perpetuating such nasty racial stereotypes.

Most Koreans would like an apology for those remarks, as well as some indication that you understand why they were so offensive and hurtful.

Thank you for your time.
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the report is in that one of the hostage-takers was embittered from being beaten, abused, and fired by his employer. He took his revenge (misguided as it was) on the school that enrolled his employer's child. The former boss was, yes, Korean.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your joke was nothing but a cheap shot based on an unfair racial stereotype, as bad as comments about Blacks eating watermelons.


You're a liar. There is a bosintang restaurant outside my house.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
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Your joke was nothing but a cheap shot based on an unfair racial stereotype, as bad as comments about Blacks eating watermelons.


You're a liar. There is a bosintang restaurant outside my house.


Well, blacks probably eat watermelons on occassion as well, but as an iconic image of blacks it's generally thought of as being degrading, thanks to its use in Stepin Fetchit-type movies.

But, yeah. Just going by that letter, one would get the impression that bosingtang is just something made up by anti-korean racists.

And perhaps I'm indulging in a bit of my own stereotyping here, but Jonathan Hilts-Park does not sound entirely like a Korean name.

I don't think Leno's joke was meant to be offensive, just a bit of ethnic humour along the lines of "What's the difference between a Scot and a canoe? A canoe tips". However, in a homogenous country like Korea, the whole idea of good-natured ribbing between ethnic groups is probably lost on a lot of people.
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gypsyfish



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
[ ... However, in a homogenous country like Korea, the whole idea of good-natured ribbing between ethnic groups is probably lost on a lot of people.


Unless you're (not you - generic you're) the one doing the ribbing. I read in the paper recently that there is a Korean comedian who is making his name by stereotyping a Southeast Asian worker in Korea.
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coolsage



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans as a whole have not yet developed the capacity to laugh at themselves. So serious.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I read in the paper recently that there is a Korean comedian who is making his name by stereotyping a Southeast Asian worker in Korea.


Oddly enough, a foreigner friend of mine was telling me about that guy this afternoon. According to my friend, the comedian claims that his point is to use humour to draw attention to the unfair conditions faced by migrant workers. Unfortunately, however, the routine is done in such a way that a racist audience could just be laughing at the character himself. Apparently, the character is supposed to be Sri Lankan, and Sri Lankans who have seen the act find it offensive.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, that joke by Leno is so awful, way worse than Koreans laughing at 9/11 footage.

How many letters would Leno get if no one could take a joke?
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